[quote=@Divinity]
Four pages of discussion is not a gauge for the effectiveness of the argument. I also don't think what's happening here is systemic abuse in any quantity. Multiple people have all agreed that guns outside of high tier fights are intrinsically unfair against any character not totally prepared/outfitted for them, save you are severely nerfing bullet-speed for the sake of fairness, which I admittedly dont see many people do.

This is also not an attack but an outside observation. I have fought gunslingers and spell-guns aplenty and I personally have no real qualm with it provided my every post blocking/evading is not nitpicked to cheese a win because 'but bullet Su fast! Yew can't dodge!' That has happened more times than I care to count, not that it effected the outcome.

I think Dark and Nobody made very good points for their case, however. There were very few actual-scenario defenses provided by the gun slinging side to empower their argument that weren't entirely hinged on characters being prepared beforehand or some kind of deal being struck, or other circumstantial/convenient factor. 

Just my two cents. 
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Agreed. It's not abuse to question what tier guns are best balanced for. 

Nerfing bullet speed in a tournament didn't end well for a lot of people, from past experience.

In one of my cases it was against a computer system that gave the gun perfect accuracy so I can't say everyone with a gun would claim to be perfectly accuracy. My fault for agreeing to a battle against it. However, like you mention, a lot of this is trust/deals, so some random person you're up against could very well claim that their gun should always hit if they have a line of sight to the target and do lethal damage because they are a great shot. Some of you guys may be able to build my trust in guns to make me comfortable in saying, "no, that missed" or "even though it hit my chest I keep going" without starting a fight. I would feel bad if they kept shooting and me saying their bullets are not really doing much at all because of the possibility that is the case, so why not make it so. I wouldn't know how far I could take it without the trust because I might worry about going overboard and just let any bullet drop me like a fly.

[quote=@Fallenreaper]
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I won't fight with a human tier vs a gunslinger human tier in an open field, starting at least twenty paces apart... :p I think we all can at least laugh and agree with that is a bad idea, right? 
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Yeah. Bad idea. XD