[quote=@Keyguyperson] Then again, I've also heard people mentioning voting third party. But that's less of a point to make and more a massive joke, because they actually believe a third party would have a chance and that's just funny. [/quote] That's the problem though. A vote isn't a bet on who is going to win. An election isn't supposed to be a cathartic emotional thing like professional sports. Voting isn't a game; it is a civil duty. In theory, everyone is supposed to vote for the person who most closely represent their own views and values. It is supposed to be the jobs of politicians to earn our vote. But by making it all about voting for the winner, by scaring people into voting for a "Lesser Evil", politically parties have the voters coming to them. They decide what their course of action is going to be, and if voters don't like it, they point at the other guy and say "They're worse". The voters have to do all the bending in that situation. I am convinced that American politics is only as corrupt as you'd expect for how much money is in it, but that the real problem isn't at all corruption, but that the voters aren't responsible with their voting. The idea of voting "Against" a party by voting for the other, that's a big part of why everything is the way it is. So yeh, I think that Clinton only really stands for Clinton; that she wouldn't do anything to forward any causes that I am interested in. What I think about the Republicans or their candidate is irrelevant. I vote for what I believe, and that's all I can do to fulfill my civic duty. [quote=@mdk] I'm in the same boat on the right. I'm not voting for Trump..... however for [i]literally over a decade[/i] I've been waiting for a chance to vote against Hillary, so that might happen. But Cruz is the guy I would've actually voted for. But yeah. Not a Republican, because they're really not small-government or freedom. I'd go libertarian except their foreign policy blows. [/quote] Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part, but I like the anti-establishment vibe in this round of primaries. That effect probably won't last into the general, but the success of Sanders and Trump does suggest people don't have much faith in the established party politic anymore, and that's nice.