[@Dazsos]Oho, savage you say? Game on. First of all, I'm more than willing to take my clone to court. Innue is free to judge. I've laid my arguments out plainly. Secondly, I'm describing the interactions between our spells based on physics principles and laws. I'm not applying anything to your spells that shouldn't be there within the context of my posts. A cryogenic LIQUID, yes. A liquid that absorbs kinetic energy. Your argument is still flawed severely. Your ice does not need to have kinetic energy. And the answer to your 'cuz magic' statement is, no, it wouldn't rob your control because it's magical, it'd rob your control because it would absorb any kinetic energy you apply to it. Just saying you'll 'add kinetic energy' to it would not logically work given the nature of my spell. It would absorb any kinetic energy applied and the ice would remain in the same immoveable state. I have been anything but 'cuz magic', buddy. As for its wide radius? There were easily over 15 gallons of liquid in that body. Quite enough to cover the distance I've mentioned. You say you want to leave this to a judge as well? Perfectly fine by me. You being able to control your ice that 'has no kinetic movement' is an oversight of physics on your part, because it makes no sense, unless you're 'pushing' it with telekinetic control. Ice still can move, examples being ice bergs. Its entirely different if the ice was [b]unable to even receive kinetic energy[/b], let alone generate it. We are clearly abiding by entirely different magic systems. It would probably be best to leave it to innue. If you still want to post that's fine, but mine will probably be postponed until [@Innue] makes her judgments. Edit: I had also stopped any 'condescending' quips after innue made her judgment. Everything after that was pure discussion. If it didn't translate via text well, that's just sorta' how text is.