Do you have any idea how much energy is in a lightning bolt? Are you aware a lightning bolt can be as hot as the surface of the sun? This spell has not even approached that level. And now you're building theoretical arguments? It couldn't expand 80 feet because that much liquid couldn't logically fit in a single clone. I also recall in pm's I asked for specifics on regards to where your book and positioning was in relation to Corban, and you said the book was about 12 feet off to either left or right, and corban was already fairly close to you when you let the water out, so your book would be well within that thirty foot range, given positioning. Innue has already said she is fine with my casting times, unless I'm misreading her previous judgment. So once again im leaving that to her. The post stated it 'would draw all the kinetic energy away'. Whether you interpret that as absorbing or not doesn't matter because the end result would still not alter the fact that it would not be able to receive or build kinetic energy, because both explanations have the same effect, the ice being immovable. And what do you mean 'all kinetic energy is connected'? That, on a surface level is untrue. The liquid can't draw away kinetic energy outside of a few inches from its physical components area. That's why the liquid is there at all, to also serve as an outliner for its range. It doesn't stop time because it doesn't effect time at all. Time is a dimensional abstraction, and this spell is not functioning anywhere near that level. His movements were also hidden behind a diamond storm. That's how he did it without giving himself away. Keep on ignoring clear logical flaws in your arguments, it makes picking them apart far easier. Complain about 'opnis' all you want. There is nothing op about it and this is another perfect example of you backdating and pedaling. What makes you think corban is not highly skilled with ice magic? I already explained twice now ice is an interesting crystal, and on top of that ice magic falls under his primary vocation of evocation. Talk about repeating things! He is quite skilled in ice magic, buddy. But we're leaving this to Innue, right? With that in mind, I am removing myself from the discussion until her judgment is made. Edit: And in what, like two posts you summoned an [b]absolute barrier of 'division'[/b], which stopped essentially any conceivable attack outside of perhaps gravity. So our power to preps ratio is clearly out of whack. Edit 2: I also don't find the cryo spell to be that powerful. It accomplishes the exact same thing as the spell 'zone of stop', and functions on a plane right above 'zone of slow', which I'd say are pretty average-level spells. And I already said we could put a post count on the time that the liquid will remain active. I'm not quite comfortable with one post, but if that's what it takes to get this ball rolling again then fine.