[quote]I had placed it on her CS, you was the one who made me drop it saying that it was too much knowledge even though it was stated that most of that was part of her Crest.[/quote] Please don't strawman me. [quote]Knowledge of Northern Europe curses and witchcraft, including the Gandr curse (her Finn Shot is about as powerful as Rin's) and how to place Geis over a target;[/quote] This was what you had on the original CS. You also had it among about six other Magic Foundations, General Magecraft, her Origin magecraft, and five elemental Magic Foundations. I explained that a family won't "specialize" in that many different foundations, and they usually focus on two or three key things and do those things really well, plus a smattering of general individual spells. If you had an objection to removing curses or wanted to keep a specific curse, you should have voiced that. Again, the onus was all on you to put something in the section if you wanted to keep it. I don't get how you thought that stayed there when it was taken out by your choice. It also doesn't help that you're lying to me. [quote=@KoL] all she needs is her contract making material to a Self-Geis scroll.[/quote] The original CS only explicitly called out a Geis, not a Self-Geis Scroll. They're completely different, as I hope you know since you even said as much on the previous page. And before you say "I just said it included Gandr and Geis, it also included the scroll", if you had insisted on keeping that section in, I would've mandated much more clarity on it, the first step of which was when I asked: [quote]What do Northern European curses focus on? IE physical degradation, mental degradation, etc.[/quote] And even if you refuse to acknowledge all of that, it doesn't change the fact that the Magecraft section's description explicitly calls out that everything should go there and if it's not there, you don't have it. Even if you hate Seyrun's current CS, you're the one who wrote it and apped it. The burden of making the character falls on the person who made the character. If you added "Creation of Self-Geis scroll" as something she knows because she spent a few months studying how to do it, then that would have been fine, but you didn't. Do not blame me for your decisions. All I did was say that you had too much breadth, I didn't tell you explicitly what you could and could not put in. All of those decisions were made by you.