[quote=@Isotope] Sorry, I'm just [i]such a mess[/i] for pointing out that you call everything you even remotely disagree with illogical and proceed to dismiss and mock every criticism of yourself or your ideas. [/quote]You need to work on this. Your response seem to be an imitation of my last sentence without the rest supporting it which completely blunts the effect. Then again, I was tired and certainly acted out of line so for that I apologize. [quote=@Monkeypants] 1st part, it does matter. Absolutely does. It is exactly this and its been repeated many times, civilization ended in the 23rd century of man. At that time is when things restarted at 0. We are in a new 1500's. Pretty easy to follow. 2nd, if you meant to say "my stuff is among the best" why not just say it rather than do what's pretty much power playing by saying mines best. My ice sword of Kroc is stronger than everyone else's wwords! My chain mail is best made and strongest. My magic is stronger than all. Its the same as saying my industry is best. Its power playing. If your intent was not to say mine was best, then just don't say it. You're not on a high horse, quit acting like it. [/quote]Yeah, I suppose English is not your first language? We barely talked aside from RP topics so pardon me for making assumptions. As others said your concern is wholly unnecessary if you can read between the lines. Why not I wrote it like that? Well, have you ever heard of freedom of expression? If this is your critique then there are so much more to pick on in everybody' profiles. Also you flip-flop on the date. First you say that since the Catastrophe happened thousands of years ago the current date must be way more than just the 1900s. Now after hearing Isotope's response you turn it around and pretend you were implying an 1500s date. It seems you only make it an argument in order to slam me. Stop it. Control your salt for the sake of all players. [quote=@Jig]Anyhoo, apart from working out plot-stuff with individuals, I'm gonna not wade any further into this, because it's looking dangerously close to playground squabbling and, the way this is going, I can't see this de-escalating, so I'd recommend you all step back and wait for Sigma too. GM is god and I'm sure we all agree that he gets the final say.[/quote]Don't worry I don't intend to pick fight with people here, either. That and since I went to sleep right after my previous post it does seem to have sorted out. [quote=@Sigma]Willy, I placed that dating system for simplicity's sake, helping players sort themselves out when making their history. Now let's be reasonable and not let this issue rear it's ugly head again. [/quote]I am fine with the 1500s date if that's what you decided on. I just found a dating system which accidentally the same span as in the previous world could've helped people to simply copy-paste events better. When was the "middle ages" in this RC time? When was gunpowder invented? Things are more convenient if it accidentally reflect the previous timeline. History repeats itself and so on. But again, I don't mind if you pick RC1520 as the starting date. I only need to switch out a few lines in my NS at worst. [quote=@Jig] [@Willy Vereb] [@Brink_] I'm looking to have lost a chunk of territory to either of you during the Great War, so that Jodesia can have a great sense of loss and glory days to harken back to. I'm basically going to suggest that I got myself involved in something I wasn't prepared to deal with, and the result was an embarrassing treaty in which I was forced to hand over either a Western territory to the Hungarian League or a Southern Territory to Franco-Iberia. Either of you want in? (Obviously the current map will reflect territories as they are; we're just talking history here) And the Great War was a couple of decades ago, ie: 1500-1510ish by the restoration calendar, right? Probably only want one of you to have pinched my land, just so I don't have to bear a grudge against both of you :P [/quote]I don't think I made any but minor territorial claims on your expense unless it was some territories in Africa. Then again Franco-Iberia benefited the most. Though it depends on him. I personally intended that the nation in the center lost Italy among perhaps other territorial concessions. [@Brink_] [quote=@Monkeypants] I need to get myself in on this overseas war stuff. Can't be an isolationist. [/quote]Given how many European nations are affiliated with you to some degree I say you'd already have a role in it. Expect you and your allies to be one of the power blocks. Which begs the question: Where should we draw the other one? I am fine with being in somewhat hostile relations with you if you want but for that I need a similar alliance system to complement it. I have yet to read up the IC so I don't know if you guys already cooked up something. If yes, then I will adopt accordingly.