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I don't know what I just stepped into clicking on this thread o.o

This updated too fast and then I saw new stuff that wasn't there before my post. So now I'm really lost.

At best, ignore this.
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For some damn reason. I cannot write one-sided argumentative papers. Sure, I have to present the other side, but I don't like writing and presenting both sides. As my journalistic expierenced have taught me, it's my goal to write the editorial response to articles. Not write both articles.

The first draft of this paper is due Thursday and I've barely even put a paragraph on the paper.

Thank God I'm not a debate major otherwise I'd have to do this every damn paper I betcha.
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Come on mate, we haven't even done the pissing part of this contest.


PISS! PISS! PISS! PISS!

I'm writing a a star wars parody called race wars: the sjw awakens


oh

Thank God I'm not a debate major otherwise I'd have to do this every damn paper I betcha.


Are there debate majors? Is that a thing?
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Are there debate majors? Is that a thing?


I bet they're hired to write all the talking points for presidential debates.

That said I bet they decided to save money these last couple decades and start hiring more and more soap opera writers to write their topical points for them. More so this year, except going straight to reality TV writers.
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I MEAN COME ON
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@Vilageidiotx I know, it'll be fantastic
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Hell fucking yes if he's a mangina.

I'm writing a a star wars parody called race wars: the sjw awakens


Is this going to be a porn parody because otherwise I can't see it catching on in any market.
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Is this going to be a porn parody because otherwise I can't see it catching on in any market.


The more offended people get the more sells happen, that's why GTA 5 made so much money despite the SJWs whining about how offensive it was
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The more offended people get the more sells happen, that's why GTA 5 made so much money despite the SJWs whining about how offensive it was


lol if you think gta made money because of offended people and not because it had the words 'grand theft auto' on the box
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lol if you think gta made money because of offended people and not because it had the words 'grand theft auto' on the box


if it's good then it will make money thanks to word of the mouth
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if it's good then it will make money thanks to word of the mouth


Grand Theft Auto is one of the best selling franchises in video games. Whenever Rockstar drops a trailer people lose their minds. Word of mouth for GTA is "Oh shit, a new GTA game? Pre order!" GTA 5 didn't need any controversy to sell millions of units. It just needed to exist.
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I'm on Spring Break and I can't find anything that entertains me for longer than five minutes. #FirstWorldProblems
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slither.io

Do it.


Addicting. I also might get nightmares. But addicting.
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I wrote the damn paper that I've procrastinated on doing. Finished like 10 minutes ago. I don't have class until 12:50 tomorrow. Sleep will probably come in an hour or two.
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lol if you think gta made money because of offended people and not because it had the words 'grand theft auto' on the box


Okay, now there's several angles I could debate you on this, are you implying simply because its a well known movie/book/game the sequel or repeated sequels will automatically do better then the original? Because that's provably false...And since someone else thumbed that up, maybe their is some kind of incorrect assumption flying around that name is ALL you need...

Mass effect 2 sold far more than Mass effect 3, (4.07 Mil to 3.08 Mil) mainly because of its controversial ending. Likewise Dead Space 2 sold more than Dead space 3 (Well over a million to 605,000.) Due to people not liking the micro-transactions put in the game by EA.

But even good games, can still not do as good at the original. Like despite I can't find exact numbers, dark souls has made more money than it's sequel. (hell it made less than demon souls according to this...)
gamefaqs.com/boards/693332-dark-souls-..

So, saying "Oh aren't you so woefully ignorant thinking it needs to do anymore than use a brand name OF COURSE IT SELLS MORE! HA HA HA!"
Is very wrong...So, lol nothing.

Also, secondly are you trying to say things that feminist/SJW groups have tried to do on the internet hasn't spectacularly blown up in their faces? To result in the opposite effect of what they tried to accomplish...

They tried to lower the sales and ban both Huniepop, and Hatred. Which sales only got bigger and MORE popular. Nearly entirely thanks to people whining and bitching and stirring up controversy.

No one would of even fucking heard nor cared about the mediocre, Hatred if it wasn't bitched about so much. And don't even get me started how well Huniepop did because of them.

Even in non-game related acts, like telling people to unsub youtubers, which only sky rocketed their sub count instead. So, going back on topic, do you ACTUALLY think the controversy behind GTA 5 DIDN'T get it more talked about, automatically giving it some extra hype from people complaining about it being too violent? Are you actually saying you believe that, or are you maybe defending something that shouldn't be defended based on your biases? Well facts don't care about biases.

(GTA 4 6 mil to GTA 5 54 million. A SLIGHT JUMP!!!)

This part isn't directed at you alone but I wish this fucking topic would seriously die, because its clear how woeful ignorance is a serious problem, but its something so obnoxiously depressing to talk about. Can people please stop bringing this topic up for the love of all that is holy?

...I give you a cookie. ;-; Please!

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Anyway! Well my roommate sank over a grand this month. Because of his crazy asshole ex and his car breaking down. So, college is having to be pushed back and I'm angry for him because it pisses me off my friend is in trouble with the law because this damn woman who helped ruin a good part of my life just being around...>.>

Mainly, because I have nothing to complain about. Aside from my back killing me.
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Okay, now there's several angles I could debate you on this, are you implying simply because its a well known movie/book/game the sequel or repeated sequels will automatically do better then the original? Because that's provably false...And since someone else thumbed that up, maybe their is some kind of incorrect assumption flying around that name is ALL you need...


No, I'm saying that a game in a franchise called Grand Theft Auto will sell crazy good numbers because every single main series entry since GTA 3 has sold more than the one before it. GTA 5 also had the benefit of coming out on two different console generations which isn't going to hurt sales whatsoever. So I suppose in this case then yes, a well known sequel will do better than the original because that's been the case with the main line GTA games since 2001.

Mass effect 2 sold far more than Mass effect 3, (4.07 Mil to 3.08 Mil) mainly because of its controversial ending.


Yeah that's the reason. The ending is why it sold more in the first month than ME2. You're leaving out the part where ME 2 wasn't multiplatform at first which is a factor in its sales figures. ME3's problems are bigger than its ending so let's stop saying that the ending ruined things, k?

Likewise Dead Space 2 sold more than Dead space 3 (Well over a million to 605,000.) Due to people not liking the micro-transactions put in the game by EA.


Dead Space is also not a major franchise in the same vein as GTA or COD or, you know, major franchises that make huge bank. Dead Space 3 is a bad game. Dead Space 2 is a less bad game.

But even good games, can still not do as good at the original. Like despite I can't find exact numbers, dark souls has made more money than it's sequel. (hell it made less than demon souls according to this...)
gamefaqs.com/boards/693332-dark-souls-..


Dark Souls is a niche franchise to begin with and Dark Souls 2 is not a good game.

So, saying "Oh aren't you so woefully ignorant thinking it needs to do anymore than use a brand name OF COURSE IT SELLS MORE! HA HA HA!"
Is very wrong...So, lol nothing.


You wanna know how you make this argument work? Bring up actual huge franchises, the record breakers, the Call of Duties and the like. Because GTA is inarguably one of the most well known franchises in video games, even to people who don't know a Nintendo from a Playstation. I'm not saying that all games can coast to sales on brand name. I'm saying that a game called Grand Theft Auto CAN because it DOES.

Also, secondly are you trying to say things that feminist/SJW groups have tried to do on the internet hasn't spectacularly blown up in their faces? To result in the opposite effect of what they tried to accomplish...


I'm not bringing the ess jay dubyas into this because I think anyone that uses SJW is silly. To say that outrage culture on the internet is why GTA 5 sold as well as it did is about as ridiculous as thinking SJWs and goobergaters care about important issues.

They tried to lower the sales and ban both Huniepop, and Hatred. Which sales only got bigger and MORE popular. Nearly entirely thanks to people whining and bitching and stirring up controversy.


Define bigger and more popular because Hatred isn't some big selling juggernaut. All the negative attention did was get knee jerk people to fork over twenty dollars to see what a shitshow the game was because they thought they were 'sticking it to those damn ESS JAY DUBYAS'. How many of the people that bought it then went on to refund it. You'll notice that no one talks about Hatred or Huniepop anymore because in the grand scheme of things they didn't amount to anything other than blips on a small radar.

At least Huniepop is funny.

No one would of even fucking heard nor cared about the mediocre, Hatred if it wasn't bitched about so much. And don't even get me started how well Huniepop did because of them.


Meidocre is pretty generous. No one cared about Hatred even if they bought it. Controversy gets attention, but controversy doesn't sell millions of copies. Huniepop is a cute game and I didn't pay for it and got exactly what I wanted from it.

Even in non-game related acts, like telling people to unsub youtubers, which only sky rocketed their sub count instead. So, going back on topic, do you ACTUALLY think the controversy behind GTA 5 DIDN'T get it more talked about, automatically giving it some extra hype from people complaining about it being too violent? Are you actually saying you believe that, or are you maybe defending something that shouldn't be defended based on your biases? Well facts don't care about biases.


Show me where the controversy behind GTA 5 (and what controversy was there? The lack of a female protagonist thing? Or the same bullshit that every GTA game gets in regards to violence and stuff) is what let it get such high sales and day one numbers. I am literally actually right now telling you that the supposed 'where's the female playable characters' discussion did, in no way, boost that games sales to such an astronomical degree. Do you think the No Russian level in Modern Warfare 2 made that game sell so well?

Controversy doesn't sell things in such high volume. You're seriously overestimating the influence gamergoobers and ess jays have on the gaming world.

(GTA 4 6 mil to GTA 5 54 million. A SLIGHT JUMP!!!)


GTA 4 has sold 25 million units but sure, only mention the week one numbers there.

This part isn't directed at you alone but I wish this fucking topic would seriously die, because its clear how woeful ignorance is a serious problem, but its something so obnoxiously depressing to talk about. Can people please stop bringing this topic up for the love of all that is holy?

...I give you a cookie. ;-; Please!


I mean, if you want the topic to die just do what I do and ignore both sides of the coin because both sides are full of chodes.
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If GTA made money on controversy, it isn't the SJW one (I didn't actually know there was any SJW controversy about it actually). Gotta remember your history. GTA controversy peaked in the old Jack Thompson days, when every other person's parents were totally against their kids playing that game based on this assumption that it was just about raping prostitutes and shooting cops. GTA 3 is where that shit became a household name.

If it means anything for this specific situation, I've never even heard of Huniepop or Hatred, but GTA is not only an easily pointed to video game franchise for me, but I'd be willing to bet it's one of the most recognizable in the US for no other reason but because 3 was in the news so often. Ask your parents, you grandparents, about Huniepop or Hatred and they'll look at you side ways. Ask them about GTA though...

As for whether or not a recognizable brand name sells... it does, if the recognizably comes with a lot of positive attributes. That's kind of why we have brand names. That it fails to do so sometimes doesn't mean it fails to do so all of the time, the so the failure of a Mass Effect 3 disproves the efficacy of brand names as much as a failed liver transplant disproves the entire practice of liver transplantation in general. You couldn't explain the phenomena of Star Wars 7 any other way but brand name. GTA goes down with Mario as one of the truly renown franchises that has the ability to sell based on brand name. So yeh, brand name is important. (cite) and (Cite 2).

I don't perceive the SJW thing to have penetrated general society as much as people on the internet want to think. I based this on the fact that I've never seen it mentioned offline. And that isn't an exaggeration, I have literally never seen SJW anything come up in the real world as I have experienced it around me, not in conversation and not in practice. It seems one of those things, like the fascism of /pol/, that thrives online since the internet naturally magnifies behaviors. That College kids occasionally protest stupid shit isn't a new phenomena, and since news articles about college kids setting up safe spaces is about as close as I've seen this movement touch the real world (and i've never seen a safe space), I'm gonna assume the SJW movement is and will remain and irrelevant boogieman. I can believe it affects the sales if small-time games, but the GTA franchise is a giant for whom the majority of players aren't going to be aware of what an SJW is or what they do.
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