[quote=@Aristo] [@Nerevarine] I like what you've got; seems like it will have a nice dynamic on the Fiorentian political sphere. I had wanted to set land claims aside for the OOC, but yours doesn't conflict with any plans I had, so its all good. [/quote] Cool :) As well, given that they're basically the Antovan Bosnia, my plan was for them to be overrun by Timluks and mostly vassalized and converted to their religion (whatever the not-Islam is called) due to being more or less crippled from it's division, as well as it's rebels converting as a political statement and for support. I'm curious if that would be okay in the later game?