[quote=@Nerevarine] Cool :) As well, given that they're basically the Antovan Bosnia, my plan was for them to be overrun by Timluks and mostly vassalized and converted to their religion (whatever the not-Islam is called) due to being more or less crippled from it's division, as well as it's rebels converting as a political statement and for support. I'm curious if that would be okay in the later game? [/quote] The Guild is so uncooperative today; it gave you a like while I've been trying to refresh the error page to reply! But that's definitely within the realm of possibility for the RP. The Timluks will be an NPC story element that I'll periodically throw at the west. How you handle them and what your plans are for your nation will decide how they do in their offense. I have a rough idea of their progression, but I'll need more western powers on the table to decide for sure.