@Winter Kitten Is it possible to play a son of Tony Stark? No...?

Woo, wow, look at all those cool characters popping up. O.o

Maybe Scarlet Witch could help our numerous magic users. Also, Rain would totally appreciate a workshop with Quicksilver lol. And where would we be without a Tony popping in every now and then? ;)



edit: @Chaotic Chao I already have a daughter of Tony going on. You can see the parents that have been 'taken,' or reserved in the OP.

@Dethran

Eheh, I was already planning on bringing them in. ;D Garret will help him get in their good graces. Or he'll fail miserably and they'll both plummet into self-loathing and utter disappointment. (but what's the fun without the risk?)

Well, I'm definitely looking forward to whenever this thing really gets going! It looks like it's going to be a lot of fun! :D

Is... everyone giving opinions about toon characters? If not, I'll go ahead and delete this, but here's mine anyway:

I can't see it working. If this were an anime type RP it could maybe work, but compared with all the serious characters that have been made? Nope.

And by serious, I don't mean serious personalities - I'm on about solid Marvel charries, with realistic (In terms of their Universe, not ours lol) powers and appearances. Even if Light's powers were toned down, I still can't see her working with the setting of the RP - not to mention that a Bio hasn't been written yet, and that will ultimately tie together how and why this thing came into being, and then somehow wound up at SHIELD academy - SHIELD, who considered themselves to be desperate calling on the eccentric likes of Tony Stark, employing a cartoon character come to life? I think they'd be more likely to recruit Red Skull.

Anyway, it is down to our great GM, but those are my two cents on the matter - apologies if I've offended.

@Chaotic Chao@Chicogal

I think it says in the first OOC page that canon characters can have more than one child? Considering Rain was the result of a one-night stand, and Tony Stark's promiscuous qualities, another child is certainly in the realm of possibility, in my opinion.

Fun fact, Captain America joined Hydra in one of the recent comics apparently. WILLINGLY I might add. So its pretty likely SHIELD would recruit or even promote Red Skull to around Agent Coulson's level at this point.

I really don't see the problem, besides people not wanting a 'deadpool', especially when said 'deadpool' is a lot more nicer and subdued in comparison.

Should say I was going to have her 'baddies' be eldridge horror things like stuff out of Darkest Dungeon or something since shes from the void. Be a lot of varied and throwaway baddies and all that.

@MiddleEarthRoze
Just to make sure Roze isn't alone in stating an opinion, I'll back her on this.

I largely agree with what she's saying, particularly regarding relative realism. Obviously we aren't looking for hyper-gritty, ultra-believable powers, we've got a teleporting demon-lookalike and a texan who can talk to animals, not to mention the Asgardians. But this RP is playing into the tone and standard realism of the MCU. Part of what made Ironman such a success was its grounding of a fantastical idea (suit that lets you fly and fire lasers) in somewhat believable 'science'. Watching Tony design the suit, you could almost believe that it could be done. What everyone dislikes about Ironman 2 is that they abandoned this model in favour of 'lol, new element from a map, synthesise it in half an hour, such genius'. Although they've never really explored this stuff in the Thor films, they at least made it clear that the Asgardians aren't gods, they're an advanced alien race that have interacted with humans throughout history, whose technology is so complex and advanced, it's indistinguishable from magic to us. Hence, fantastical grounded in realism. The same is true for Captain America and, to a lesser extent, Ant-man.

I personally think that any power that takes us away from the fantastical grounded in the semi-realistic is going to be an immersion breaker, especially something as nebulous as Toon force.

I mean, if you want me to make the powers more 'realistic' and Eldridge instead, I can. Downside? She'll lose lots and lots of her weaknesses in the process. If your fine with her only weaknesses being basically unlucky then I can modify that no problem.

@Archmage MC

I'm not talking about her "baddies", I'm talking about the character. Giving her horrific and nightmarish creatures the complete opposite of her to fight will just enhance her flaws, not get rid of them. You're essentially saying that these are the only things that can scare/hurt her which is... improbable, considering the shit storms flying about in the Marvel Universe.

And no... just no. SHIELD wouldn't recruit Red Skull - that's the point of ridiculousness I was making.

And I repeat, it's not just the powers I have issue with. It's the entire idea of a "toon" living among actual living creatures.

Edit: As for her weaknesses, we've all managed to create flaws for our characters without needing them to balance out some serious OP-ness. Surely you can manage to do the same?

@Archmage MC

I'm not talking about her "baddies", I'm talking about the character. Giving her horrific and nightmarish creatures the complete opposite of her to fight will just enhance her flaws, not get rid of them. You're essentially saying that these are the only things that can scare/hurt her which is... improbable, considering the shit storms flying about in the Marvel Universe.

And no... just no. SHIELD wouldn't recruit Red Skull - that's the point of ridiculousness I was making.

And I repeat, it's not just the powers I have issue with. It's the entire idea of a "toon" living among actual living creatures.

Capt has already joined hydra and "hail Hydra"'d, so Marvel has already jumped a pretty giant shark in the comics realm.

Well if you want like I said, I can make her powers more 'realistic' but it also removes a massive amount of her weaknesses if I do so. If your fine with her having virtually no weaknesses then I'm fine with that, its more for your benefit than mine anyway since I'll play her the same way either way.

@Archmage MC
Okay, firstly, it's spelled 'Eldritch'. Secondly, your use of quotation marks and self defensive tone make this feel like you think we're being unreasonable and you're considering compromising because we're somehow forcing your hand. I don't think any of us are being at all unreasonable in expressing our opinion that cartoon physics breaks immersion in a game that's trying to capture a specific tone. Cartoon physics, as Kitten has pointed out, work best in a solo outing because of a host of reasons and none of us are attacking you personally, simply stating our objections to an idea. Fourthly, Roze is clearly using the inherent silliness of Cap joining Hydra as an example of things that shouldn't happen in a marvel game. Thirdly, are you honestly telling me you would find it impossible to write more convincing weaknesses than bad luck? That anything other than that is just not possible in any way, shape or form? I find that unlikely, I have no doubt you could write more interesting flaws and weaknesses, should you put your mind to it rather than saying 'no, no, can't be done, she'll just have to be god'.

I mean I could give her silver as a weakness if you want since its faye based, but it isn't a real weakness since its so easily stopped and not super readily available. I'm fine if you guys can think up weaknesses too if your interested in the character.

@Archmage MC

I don't think you're grasping what we're trying to say: Toons likely aren't going to work. And from what I've seen in your past RP's, this isn't the first time you've put forward the idea to only have it shot down in flames. We're trying to give constructive criticism here, but you're just deflecting it with bad arguments and not really putting much effort into thinking of ways you can use our advice.

As it happens, it's your character, not ours. If you want her to be accepted, it's you who has to change it up, not us.

@Archmage MC@MiddleEarthRoze
Pretty much what Roze said, we've said our pieces and don't have any reason to think of weaknesses. And, not to be harsh, but I don't we are interested in the character, per say. We're interested in maintaing a consistent theme and tone in the RP, something your character threatens to break. If your character didn't, we'd probably have nothing but good things to say about it.

Fun fact, Captain America joined Hydra in one of the recent comics apparently. WILLINGLY I might add. So its pretty likely SHIELD would recruit or even promote Red Skull to around Agent Coulson's level at this point.

That's a part of canon I'm willing and have (within this RP) destroyed and negated completely. So, yeah. No. In this universe (MCU + 616 Mash up; And I'm happy to include the various X-Men franchises into the mix, too) that whole deal with Cap and his mom are pretty much a "clever" artist's headcanon of "what really happened".

Hydra Cap pissed me off too much to think about it and I highlighted it in the OP. Or, at least, I implied what I thought of it. I can go on a tangent when it comes to this particular issue and I'm just waiting for Marvel to make it's money off the gimmick and retcon it once they've milked it dry to ever think to look at a Cap comic again.

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Anyway, before I scream about that. I think Roze and Roosan bring up excellent points. Something like this would fit well with the X-Men (maybe. possibly. better than SHIELD, if anythign), but when you look at the characters we have now and look at their thematic, it just doesn't really fit with it.

I think Roosan explains this pretty perfectly. It's too fantastical and while we do have someone here from Alfheim (Erik) there's not a lot in 616 or even much mentioned in Thor 2, that it allows the both of us to craft something that would work with the them the MCU have given us. Which is what @Roosan explained. Space-elves. How fucking weird is that? But in this universe it works and can be grounded in its pseudo-science better than a toon character.

It's just, and I keep reiterating this, you have to look at our roster now to see the kind of power I'm looking to fill.

@Angel Eyes previously stated

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LOL, maybe its a sign that u should find a new concept. But in seriousness though, if your gonna try and use it here too, I'd definitely advice again that u modify her greatly. As in cutting down on 75% of the powers at least. Otherwise, you will probably illicit backlash again. No one likes to lose the immersion and reality of the RP and your character naturally illicits this response. Hence the track record she has had in like 3 rps I've seen you try and use her in. Definitely tone her down so you can avoid issues. Just my advice though.

And it's happening again. I think this is a power that relies too heavily on everyone agreeing with it to work and we've already got a rift in the OOC between the players, regardless of how you intend to play this.

But also this

Thirdly, are you honestly telling me you would find it impossible to write more convincing weaknesses than bad luck? That anything other than that is just not possible in any way, shape or form? I find that unlikely, I have no doubt you could write more interesting flaws and weaknesses, should you put your mind to it rather than saying 'no, no, can't be done, she'll just have to be god'.

I second this. I second this to an incredible degree. All of her weaknesses are so off-base they aren't weaknesses. I was being generous calling them soft weaknesses because they rely too heavily on her having a bad day. They also rely too heavily on me metagaming to keep this character in check. I'm not happy to do that. If I have to work to keep a character's power level in check, one of us is doing something wrong here. Because if I'm focusing on making sure your character doesn't literally steam roll through my plot points and devices, then I'm not able to focus on giving everyone else an enjoyable game that challenges them creatively to write and develop their characters in a manner that befits the plot.

Like I said prior, her ability is too 'Solo' focused. It works better in an environment that allows her to roam free in a writing standpoint. If you put that individual in a game full of people with characters that are just as important, it either breaks her a part or it makes everything revolve around her. And right now, I can't see a situation in which I don't have to literally drag the plot around her powers.

I'm very interested in this. Can I possibly make a character that is the daughter of Sygyn and Loki based on the Earth-616 versions of them?

Everyone pretty much hit the nail on the head. When I gave him the advice beforehand, I was trying to help him avoid this. Seems he didn't heed my warning.

@Archmage MC If you are willing, I can take ur character sheet into a personal Pm between us and help you modify her. But you have to be willing and understand that people are not trying to pick on you. And I don't mean just in this one, but the other ones you've tried to use Light in as well. The reason you keep garnering backlash is because you are unwilling to see the overt faults in your character and make compromising decisions. I understand she is like your baby. But she isn't perfect and her existence (as you currently have her written) vastly undermines the integrity of most roleplays.

You have got to step off your high-stand and compromise with the people who are trying to give you constructive criticism. A consensus is called a consensus for a reason. And I know you really want to you her to the fullest. Understandbly! Either make vast changes, or let me or someone else help you make them! :)

@winter kitten Also, I just realized both your guys are gay! LOL Now I wanna make a gay guy! haha!

@winter kitten Also, I just realized both your guys are gay! LOL Now I wanna make a gay guy! haha!

I'm not contributing on the racial diversity so I gotta contribute diversity somewhere!! XD

I'm very interested in this. Can I possibly make a character that is the daughter of Sygyn and Loki based on the Earth-616 versions of them?

I'll have to talk this over with @Chicogal cause one her character's father is Loki. Loki is understandably quite promiscuous, so it's likely reasonable that he also has yet another child. Probably has loads more children he hides tbh. Lol. But yeah lemme get back to you on this.

Everyone pretty much hit the nail on the head. When I gave him the advice beforehand, I was trying to help him avoid this. Seems he didn't heed my warning.

@Archmage MC If you are willing, I can take ur character sheet into a personal Pm between us and help you modify her. But you have to be willing and understand that people are not trying to pick on you. And I don't mean just in this one, but the other ones you've tried to use Light in as well. The reason you keep garnering backlash is because you are unwilling to see the overt faults in your character and make compromising decisions. I understand she is like your baby. But she isn't perfect and her existence (as you currently have her written) vastly undermines the integrity of most roleplays.

You have got to step off your high-stand and compromise with the people who are trying to give you constructive criticism. A consensus is called a consensus for a reason. And I know you really want to you her to the fullest. Understandbly! Either make vast changes, or let me or someone else help you make them! :)

Sure take a crack at it if you want, we can both work something out.