[quote=@The Nexerus] Neither example A nor B is now or has ever been even tangentally related to Canadian national identity. Abolishing the monarchy because "it will give off a good impression" is comedically ridiculous. Who is Canada supposed to be trying to impress? [/quote] How is still holding a foreign monarch as your monarch not tangentially related to prior British subjugation? That's where that came from. And I know B shouldn't be the case, but seriously that is the vibe I am picking up from this conversation, that the Queen is the tender thread that keeps you from being an extension of Minnesota. And I'm not saying you need to have pride in your own achievements for my sake, or the sake of outside judgement. I'm saying you should have pride in your achievements for your own sake.