[quote=@NuttsnBolts] Ever been turned down or had a relationship fall apart for being "too nice"? I have. So my ex never had a car to drive and we worked at the same business complex, so I used to drop her off home. When she broke it off because she said I was too nice and too helpful, one thing she was annoyed about was me driving her home all the time. Um... It saved you a 45min bus trip, I got to spend time with you and it was a 2 street detour. So how is that too helpful or too nice? :confused [@Frettzo] For the record, I don't want kids. Not every relation needs to have them. [/quote] Women aren't straight forward creatures and driven by emotions entirely more abstract then a man's. Just because we might see something for what it's worth for the moment doesn't mean they see it the same way as we do. "Two hours of quality time" might mean - when they have their mind fixed on something - an inconvenience all the same. So in the end: should have bought a car. In much a similar vein, "being too nice" or thinking you can swoon hearts for chivalry and kindness is in words: beta as fuck. And as much as I cringe for dumping that meme, it might as well be true. Kindness doesn't go far enough to start a relationship but only perhaps strategically maintain it (but itself may not go as far as to keep it real, you need to make some major blood sacrifices). You gotta be assertive, you gotta be alpha, you have to make a strong immediate attention. Now put the hard cider down and drink a lager like a real man. But don't pick up chicks with a Mustang or some loud bro car. Get a Miata. [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Red-na-nb.JPG[/img] Adorable as fuck. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp1kuo6xkbE[/youtube]