[@mdk] Thank you. Nail, hammer, head, you got precisely what I was saying.

inb4 'not all gay prides are guys clad in BDSM gear licking dildo's' well do 1 simple google search and you'll find out that there's tonnes of gay prides that are like that.

If it's just a bunch of people waving around a flag then sure. But that's [i]often[/i] not what it is. I'd dare say 9 out of 10 times it's not a celebration of survival, it's a celebration of sexuality. And like you said, that often manifests in.. well, sexual shit. I don't want to see that.

It's like having those weirdo's walk around in public with a dog leash on their s/o. I don't want to see that and it makes me cringe.

I have to admit it was a misleading post but you have to realize it's hard to come up with a well-flowing counter argument to 20 points that are raised by gay people, that more often than not have 0% to do with 'gay pride' and more so with 'look, I'm gay, see how poorly we are treated!!!' as a counter argument to everything.

... people like [@Darcs] who see their ideology as the best one despite that it will simply never work.

[quote=@Darcs]Dude fuck that. The goal shouldn't be, and isn't to fit in, there is no goal-- there are just people who have been part of a marginalized (still marginalized) group and varying levels of pride in that identity. Some people might make it a bit flashy and take it overboard, but so long as it's just metaphorical beating over the head and not literal, it's not yours, or anyone's place to regulate the excitement with which someone chooses to express themselves.[/quote]

Yes it should be. Acceptance = fitting in. Hatred comes from standing out. This is basic history and also basic sociology so please stop inferring you can stand out and at the same time be accepted. 

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups#In-group_favoritism]Like this here.[/url]

As I said before, gay prides are doing nothing whatsoever to help homosexuals that are a marginalized group (in the USA, which isn't even where I am from). 

And yes it is my place to regulate the excitement of people and how they choose to express themselves. 

Public space. I explained this before. I'll give you a brief summary, read back my other posts if you want to know more. 

The issue I have with gay prides (besides their uselessness) is the fact that they are forced upon people that do not want to partake. For example people living in a certain neighborhood or people traveling to work. 'But heterosexuality is forced upon us too in public spa-' no it's not. 

Because it's public space, everyone (including, yes, [i]me[/i], so no thanks, I won't be shut up) can critique and comment on it and that includes making it clear they do not enjoy it and would rather not have it. 

You would be right in saying I have no right to regulate it if they did it at a private venue. Which I actually advocated. I would very much enjoy if they did it in a private venue. So I leave you with that. If you're not gonna read my other posts and simply pretend you realize what I am saying, I would not like to further this debate with you simply because you've already assumed multiple things about what I've said and I'd rather not argue with a brick wall.

 
[quote=@Darcs]Like, 

>I wouldn't have known you're gay, which is exactly why I think people like you are a good example of how to further acceptance for homosexuals.

>The goal should be to fit in even if you're gay, not to stand out. Standing out makes you a target. The nail that stands out... ya get it.

Holy fuck, this was pulled directly from some Uncle Tom's Cabin shit, dude-- this is the type of shit masters say to their best house niggas, the type of shit white people say tot heir non-ghetto black friends, the type of shit you say to a 'civilized and calm' mixed person in America during literally any time period.[/quote]

Okay, so you're calling me an Uncle Tom, a slave master, or one of those cray white people that hates black people? Okay fam. If you wanna talk to me about that kinda shit, I'll gladly accept that label. You want to call me a racist right? Fair. I'm a racist. You can call me that from now on if you need to have some label to refer to me as instead of 'Buddha'. Cheers. 'Buddha the Racist' that's me now.

As for those people, no, I'm not really one of those people. I don't go 'but my friend is black so I can't be racist.' I roleplay with a bunch of black guys and I've always been incredibly honest with them when I said I think there is some issues with the black community in America, but how is that [i]at all[/i] related to what we are discussing here, you absolute mong? And I think the 'non-ghetto black guy' label is incredibly stupid so fuck you for using that. Being from the ghetto or not does not define blackness you moron.

Besides, I am incredibly ok with black culture and I partake in it myself. Just because I act like the whitest motherfucker alive doesn't mean I don't like black people or anything. I don't go around asking black people 'can I touch your hair' or thinking that I can call them my n____ mostly because I'm not a fucking retard. 

Acceptance comes from not standing out. If I don't know a hetero person from a gay person, then how can I do anything other than accept them? And no, this has nothing to do with heteronormativity. It has absolutely nothing to do with pretending you are hetero. I don't care if you fuck a man in the ass every night of the week, I care about if you [i]act like a normal person.[/i]

And I'm sorry brother, shit like

[hider=this][img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Cologne_Germany_Cologne-Gay-Pride-2015_Parade-05.jpg[/img][/hider]

doesn't stand out as 'normal person' to me. It's the same reason I don't have a problem with men kissing or holding hands, because it's none of my god damn business, as long as they provide to be normal functioning people of society and don't run around committing some public indecency, I'm fine with it.

[quote=@Darcs]It's shit like this that fuels the flamboyant af pride queens. True acceptance doesn't come from having everyone conform to some hetero-normative standard, excuse the buzzword, but that's cultural fascism.[/quote]

And forcing acceptance on people who do not want to accept something because they [i]disagree[/i] is somehow better?

Also I can not agree with calling it cultural fascism mostly because nobody is [i]forced[/i] to adhere to a standard (it's not hetero normative in my eyes and my country) because we're not Saudi Arabia.

[quote=@Darcs]It's realizing that if you're annoyed by a person, then you don't have to spend your time making judgments around them. If you do, don't let those judgement inform your actions. Hippie shit, we're all stardust, we should be kind and in awe of each other. etc.[/quote]

... today in things that would [i]never[/i] happen in real life.