@VitaVitaAR I'm personally more enamored by the /SF Jack more because reasons, however I guess a part of why Apo!Jack didn't really grow on me despite her actually pretty nice concept and backstory was my personal dislike on what happened on her part in Apo, but eh, it's nothing but personal bias.

Grail War balance was pretty much never a concept since conception anyway. It's an intentionally rigged system from the start, although due to oversights in general, the other containers weren't as gimped as expected. Each container had their pre-set method on how would they compete, but of course, despite this technically making them equal, some ended up being better than others. Which would be fine, really.

Assassin's issue really wasn't how much they get fucked over by their container. No matter their portrayal, they'd invariably be the class that was most prone to get fucked over by the narrative itself. Because after all you couldn't just have the servant go around and do what it's supposed to do willy nilly.

Berserker still imo would be the hardest class to win with in a HGW scenario. They're even more of a one-trick pony compared to Assassin, and while they're very strong at doing what they do, their linearity made it a lot easier for other masters to plan for them while making it hard for their master to actually make plans around him, barring the very rare exceptions like Lancelot. They would go down fighting, most definitely, but actually winning would be really hard.

@Rin Sure sure, I'll be fine with that arrangement.

@VitaVitaAR I'm personally more enamored by the /SF Jack more because reasons, however I guess a part of why Apo!Jack didn't really grow on me despite her actually pretty nice concept and backstory was my personal dislike on what happened on her part in Apo, but eh, it's nothing but personal bias.

Grail War balance was pretty much never a concept since conception anyway. It's an intentionally rigged system from the start, although due to oversights in general, the other containers weren't as gimped as expected. Each container had their pre-set method on how would they compete, but of course, despite this technically making them equal, some ended up being better than others. Which would be fine, really.

Assassin's issue really wasn't how much they get fucked over by their container. No matter their portrayal, they'd invariably be the class that was most prone to get fucked over by the narrative itself. Because after all you couldn't just have the servant go around and do what it's supposed to do willy nilly.

Berserker still imo would be the hardest class to win with in a HGW scenario. They're even more of a one-trick pony compared to Assassin, and while they're very strong at doing what they do, their linearity made it a lot easier for other masters to plan for them while making it hard for their master to actually make plans around him, barring the very rare exceptions like Lancelot. They would go down fighting, most definitely, but actually winning would be really hard.

Pretty sure the other classes weren't gimped as much as they would have liked to just so the other four participants think they can win instead of recognizing it immediately as rigged

It's worth noting that Saber's the strongest class, but the strongest Servants are both Archers. Classes are just a guideline.

Saber probably works out as the strongest because of just how many heroes that slot into the classes are primarily known for swords, and the world's glut of magic swords. There's no need to assume it's an intentional conspiracy. The knight classes are the best in combat because that's literally the qualification. Berserker's also good at that but if in full-crazy mode disadvantaged against smart opponents (it's not like strong Berserkers can't overwhelm their opposition). Caster and Assassin are by default not combatants.

Alrighty, do I have anyone interested in Sinfijotli the Berserker? And anyone who is looking for a Master? I will of course be looking at the individual open spaces myself, but if you are here now and you want to make a case for recruitment now is the time.

I agree that the Narrative is basically rigged against Assassin, especially from a storytelling point of view, an Assassin is someone who, if their skills work correctly, they eliminate their target before it ever has a chance to oppose them, something that storytelling itself rebels at.

I would maintain however, that a suficently low Mad Enhancement Berserker, perhaps one who does not utilize it so often, would have a greater chance than a pure combat machine. This opinion has nothing to do with my own Berserker, I assure you 😉

@Beloss: I already mentioned this, but everyone's been paired up after the start of the RP because leftovers. Sorry, mate.

You included, though. Check the list.

LancerOfBlue still needs to move that form into the Chars tab. :I

@PKMNB0Y Ah! Sorry if im a bit slow on the uptake, I have been very busy with work and all. Anyway, I have no problem with this, the selection process is supposed to be somewhat random in cannon to after all so I don't mind. Time to look up Klaus.

@Beloss: Bottom of page 16.

@PKMNB0Y Oh hell yes, somehow I not only wound up with Frankenstein, but the only other Master in the setting who is over the age of 20. We shall call ourselves: Team Old People. Or Team Monster respectively, depending on which one sticks. There is a certain poetry to the Wolf Man and Frankenstein teaming up with one another instead of having to fight all the time for the amusement of silver screen audiences.

@Beloss There are actually 9 masters above 20 years old btw.

Oh also, thinking about it, wouldn't the average haughty and prideful magus (apparently the kind of magi that are common in Nasuverse) aren't really suited well to most Assassins anyway personality-wise? They didn't seem to be the type that would utilize the class to its full potential anyway.

@Nanashi Ninanai Speaking in generalization of course.

Hmm, I think a lot of Mages would get along very well with Assassins. Of course you will have Magi like Kayneth who wanted to show off their magical abilities, but I do think there are a lot of Magi who would be perfectly fine with having their problems disappear in the middle of the night with a quick stab and a short shriek. Kiritsugu was most likely only unique in that aspect insofar as he was willing to use modern tech to pull it off.

If you're speaking in generalization, then you messed up a bit since if I recall, 9 masters is over half of them.

@Cojemo I am, generally speaking, only generally speaking in generalizations.

@PKMNB0Y

I could squeeze some time, so I finished the CS early, Here's Atalanta:

@KoL I cant help but wonder what the apple juice would be like. In any case, we should endeavor to have a competition between a Monstrous Boar and a Monstrous Wolf sometime in in the RP.

Jack and Atalanta being in the same place ought to be...interesting. Well, at least this time Jack won't explode or something.

@KoL: That was a lot faster than I expected. lessee...
Er... I don't think that 'tsundere-kuudere line' is necessary, but other than that's she's effectively accepted.

There's only one Master left, so... =w=;;

Edit: Also, to be fair, there ar more cheat-y Archers that could be considered better 'Archers' but not necessarily 'archers'. Just being nitpicky, though, because Gil is bull, EMIYA is bull, True Archer is bull, Arjuna is bull...
I also assume someone like Hou Yi would be bull.
But yeah, idk if "as good as one can expect that the Archer class gets" is quite accurate...
Eh, again, nitpicky. Don't mind me, just picking at nuances. Regardless, you know the verdict.

@KoL Err... could you please not insert links inside coloured text in future? It had to be pointed out to me that the NP names are links since... the specific formatting makes it impossible to see. >_>;

Man, imagine what it would be like if someone had apped Caster Bluebeard.... :V

Man, imagine what it would be like if someone had apped Caster Bluebeard.... :V

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