[quote=@mdk] [url=http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-04/news/mn-119_1_white-house]First year, is what I was talking about.[/url] Granted, Clinton didn't have Russia -- but his actual government was in disarray for the first year of office. He got it together. [i]But it kinda sounds to me like you're talking about something else entirely.[/i] It sounds like you're talking about people's [b]perception[/b] of the government, and/or how it was portrayed in the media. Just pick any Republican president, any of 'em. Name one. Bush? it was like this. Reagan? It was like this. Bush Sr.? ......I mean he lost as an incumbent, so it MUST have been bad. Lincoln? It was like this, but a little worse. Etc. [/quote] While I agree that most presidencies start off fairly rocky and with various controversies, however... A late-appointed chief undersecretary of the labor department is not nearly as controversial as a Secretary of Defense being fired 2 weeks in office, an FBI director being fired for investigating the president, a communications director, a chief of staff, and a communications director being fired within 2 weeks, family members being given special roles in the white house, (allegations of) collusion with a foreign power on the offset of the presidency to bring the president into power...well you get the point. I can go on and on. And I saw your article. It has some mentions of various controversies (some were a bit biased from my research,) but it goes on for about 4 months I believe, and it seemed as chaotic as Trump's first 4 weeks. I admit you're right that things are always far more hectic than it seems, but Trump is just a thing that is...off the charts. And I don't say this as a republican or democrat. It's just from the facts I have seen.