[@Smash], I will not ask you again to call me by my username or just "Harbinger". No less, do not make idle threats about a "controlled debate" which I explicitly declined. I have [i]no[/i] interest in letting you control the narrative to something I did not agree to in the first place. You are doing so in all bad faith out of desperation to not make yourself endure the thrashings you have had over the past few pages. To which I will add, yes, I [i]am[/i] calling you out for the above with an expressed purpose before responding. I am doing so as proof there is [i]no[/i] question of situation. First, until you have evidence - the burden of proof is on the accusing party, not the defending - there is [i]nothing[/i] to say the man is a hack. Stop attacking the characters of people and actually debate their point; you are making yourself out to be a coward in repeatedly doing this. Second, the organization approved the presentation and reasonably made the same or similar conclusion to publish it; that is significantly more proof than your one cited article (from a news source no less, not a university, institute, think-tank or the like) and some random book. Third, you [i]know[/i] I use links provided to me from aggregates as a rapid means of making my points. I freely admitted this. I leave them as I find them, though I admit that addition they made might be true as well. No less, look at the year it is dated to as an article. It is [i]not[/i] subject to the matter of "recency", even predating the year 2000. I doubt our understanding of history has changed that drastically in over seventeen years. Fourth, Google has notoriously begun editing search results. As with above, I use captures from other sources. No less, the argument of "lolz Bing" isn't an argument. If anything it shows you are none too familiar with how search engines function and how they choose to display information. Again, point being that Google has skewed its results and the surprisingly less biased and less useful Bing can get it right. I, for the record, use neither of those search engines. Fifth was to prove citing a book with no reviews, as with yours on that very page you linked, means [i]absolutely nothing[/i]. Instead I found a book that has actual reviews and regular sales on a trusted site that people regularly use. Sixth, you would not jump ship from communism and socialism to an ideology that did not favor you. They were opportunistic socialists and communists who, instead of getting beat or murdered by the national socialists, joined them. No less, the rise of historical Antifa is related to this time period because the Communist Party was outright banned, but that is an argument for another time. And the last are quotes from the Twenty-Five Points as proof of socialist values in their own words. [quote]10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all. 13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts. 14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries. 15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions. 16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities. 17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. 20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State. 21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.[/quote] I could post more of these distinctly socialist ideals shared by the Nazis, but I assumed their playbook was really all we needed. Yet it seems you only fixated on the fourth point, something that hasn't anything to do with socialism or why Nazis somehow wouldn't be Left wing.