[quote=@Penny] Ah you are talking about the many flavors of Alt Right racists, not drawing a distinction. [/quote] Yeah I mean there are flavours but the central point was that all self described alt righters are white nationalists, and by definition any sort of racial nationalist is a racist. But you will see some 'muddy the waters' tactics that just because some people are incorrectly labelled alt right by some of the leftist media (Milo, Gavin McInnes, Ben Shapiro, Tomi Lahren) that the word suddenly has no meaning which is as stupid as saying just because some people mislabel Obama as a communist there are no communists and its a useless term.