[quote=@Fabricant451]I might've misheard initially. I was pulling from memory and only the brief refresher when you posted it. Even if he doesn't call illegal immigrants animals he's got people who will do that for him, but more on that elsewhere. But for the sake of honesty, yes, let's say that I said that Trump called illegal immigrants animals and that I might've misheard or misremebered the sentence and context and that's on me and my bad there. [/quote]

I mean you're technically right. He called MS13 animals, and MS13 are (almost?) entirely illegal immigrants. MS13 are certainly animals too. This is that thing the talking heads on the left like to do when Trump speaks -- [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9lcr-wsYOk]generalizing statements[/url] that were actually rather specific. It's... okay lemme put on my tinfoil hat here, the mental conditioning is working and that's odd, and also they're making the frogs gay. Okay tinfoil off. Just.... y'know, that's a [i]really nasty[/i] thing for someone to say (illegal immigrants are animals!) and it's [i]bizarre[/i] to me that -- even as an honest misremembered mistake -- that registered as a plausible Trump statement.  Is that.... am I making sense here? Like if I said oh, remember that time Obama said white people are literally satan, I didn't like that. I can only [i]actually think[/i] that -- even momentarily -- if I am unfair, in my mind, to Pres. Obama. Me thinking Obama said that would call into question lots of other things I think about Obama. 

......and now I'm off the handle completely. Let's bring it back. He called out MS13, and not illegal immigrants in general. 


[quote]To then purposely lie even about petty shit like the crowd of the rally and the 'crowd' of protesters further paints the canvas of this being an 'us against them' thing. Which then was only furthered when he called the rally a safe space as if people attending were in danger just for attending.[/quote]

To the former, I mean, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RturpZ8Ato&feature=youtu.be&t=4h9m40s]the place was pretty full.[/url] To the latter, [url=http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/protesters-attack-trump-supporters-san-jose-rally-39601243]they[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVviquVcmFU]kinda[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33HVduI474]are[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_33BfoN-5qY]in[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKCl9NL1Cg]danger[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUilmTIpRyM]just[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPHMW7AJV2E]for[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mOU6vNA4t8]attending[/url]. So........... 

[quote]Increasingly it feels like the guy can't take criticism and instead will spin it so it's their fault he's being criticized.[/quote]

Not my favorite character trait of his. It feels odd because typically, all you have to do is call the GOP racists and they roll over and do whatever you want. If I'm being generous, Trump is fighting back and nobody's had to deal with that before -- if I'm being cynical and probably realistic, he's got thin skin.  FWIW though, [i]there is a ton of fake bullshittery about him.[/i] [url=https://www.instagram.com/p/BYjrXEVHvrf/]Here's a video of Trump in Houston, with CNN's commentary played over the vid.[/url] 

[quote]I mean he was literally violating the Fourth Amendment and various civil rights. And the pardon sends a certain message, namely that 'hey it's okay to literally break the law and profile people that might be immigrants because they're brown and look different. Arpaio's actions should not be praised at all; he literally abused his position and violated the law, something he is supposed to enforce.[/quote]

If you had to guess, what percentage of illegal immigrants in the state of Arizona are Latino? Ballpark. 

I don't think there is any way to enforce immigration law in that state which [i]wouldn't[/i] look racist. I am absolutely against racism, but absolutely FOR immigration law. The order Joe violated was [i]not[/i] "stop arresting brown people," it was "stop enforcing the law." This is a messy scenario, because -- if accusations are to be believed -- Joe is, independent of that order, kind of a major douche. But that's not the subject of his conviction -- the (Obama-appointed) court ordered the Sheriff to ignore the law, which just, ya know.... I DON'T KNOW I don't have a visceral reaction to his continuing to enforce said law. I appreciate that yes, it looks pretty ludicrously racist on the surface but like I said [i]I don't know how you could do that job and NOT look racist.[/i] I mean, short of building a wall.

[quote]literally a racist, xenophobe, literally set up a concentration camp for prisoners, inhumanely treated prisoners by subjecting them to temperatures so hot their shoes were melting, didn't investigate crimes like the rape of a child, improperly clearing seventy five percent of crimes without investigation or arrest, took political opponents to court not for anything legitimate but because they were in the way, and is also an Obama birther...[/quote]

Yeah that's the stuff I'm not crazy about.

[quote]I'm going to assume the two are Spencer and Milo 

[character sheets for the world's worst RP][/quote]

Yeah that all sounds like nothing I want any part of, lol


....dammit my intention was NOT to go through and do that point-by-point "pull a thing here, pull a thing there" wall-o-text counterargument. But I've done it.