[quote=Ferret]I never really understood the whole hate for organized religion thing[/quote] No problem. I get how being annoyed and disliking religion can anger or confuse a lot of people, even those not religious themselves. [quote=Ferret]I mean I am in no way religious, but to a lot of people its all they have. It gives huge peace of mind to people that are experiencing massive grief or loss.[/quote] That's just not healthy though, for the only thing you have is blind faith in something the world has created at least tens of thousands of versions of it, all of which claims to be the one and only true God or religion. [quote=Ferret]I suppose its near impossible to explain spirituality and blind faith to someone who has yet to find a need for it.[/quote] Oh I get it, I was Christian for most of my life. It's having grown up Christian that helps fuel my reasons for disliking Religion. [quote=Ferret]Of course there are the typical protests against it such as the anti-homosexual laws or female ownership ect, but the holy passages of whatever religion you choose was probably written so long ago that it might as well of been in a different universe.[/quote] To honestly consider one self part of a Religion, you should be reading and obeying the Bible of said Religion. To not do so... Well then you're ignoring the entire religion and honestly shouldn't call yourself a member of that Religion in the first place. So with that leaving those who actually do follow the Bible, most religions tell their followers that they're God's word is law. That God is all knowing and infinite. I makes sense for the rules man put down to change over time, we're only men. We learn, we adapt, we change. But for what God says to change? If he does change his mind later one he is either sadistic, or he isn't all knowing cause he had to change his word in the first place. Also even Religion's like Christianity aren't fully clear as to if the Old Testament is to be disregarded or not. That's just one possible interpretation of what Jesus said, and it's the interpretation most religious people choose to take cause it let's them dodge what would otherwise be a very inconvenient bullet. Even then though, the New Testament has more than enough to tear apart with including women not being allowed to speak outside of their home. You want to look at a Religion and go "This scripture's are too old, we should ignore them and do something else" be my guest. But stop calling yourself a member of that religion, cause you're outright disobeying it at that point. [quote=Ferret]Assholes are going to be assholes no matter what median they choose to express it through.[/quote] This is true. But let's put this in another perspective. Let's say a School put a rule in saying "You are allowed to pick on, bully, harass and abuse Girls, Gays, Blacks, Jews, Asians etc.". Would you stand for it and say "Well Assholes will be assholes may this rule be in or not?". Any half-moral person wouldn't allow a rule that outright promotes the harm and bullying of others, even if humanity has some asshole's that would act that way even if they weren't allowed to. [quote=Ferret]I'm not claiming their hasn't been huge atrocities done in the name of religion in the past, and present, but to shun a massive portion of human culture is crazy in my opinion.[/quote] Not liking Religion is not the same as shunning anyone who is Religious. As far as Religion vs Non-Religious even goes, it's normally the Religious people shunning the non-religious (or religious people of another religion) for not believing in their God. Non-Religious normally just show a disliking to Religion, disagree with it and tell them to stop trying to force their religion on others. Sometimes creating atheist groups and such as a place of acceptance cause so many religious people won't accept them. [quote=Ferret]These are just the minor opinions of an over-tired ferret. I understand how controversial and personal topics on religion can be, so the last thing I want is a flame war[/quote] I'd rather avoid flame war's too honestly is possible. But I'm not going to let the fear of a flame war prevent me from being open and honest about my opinion if people ask about it.