[quote=Ferret]Thanks for taking the effort to fully explain yourself magnum. I always justify the huge hate towards religion on the internet (not saying that it's on this forum, but in general) due to the fact that atheist, agnostic or whatever people far outweigh theists on the internet for the most part, at least on sites I frequent, and it's actually the first time a non-theist group of people have been in the majority and they feel the need for a sort of payback for all the prejudices they experienced as the minority.[/quote] That's a terrible reason to be against Religion though... :/ Hell I imagine it's reasoning like that is part of why me and Zaresto also listed Feminism as an annoyance. Cause they got to the point where women are equal (They still lack equality in some areas, but to the point it equals out to the areas where men lack rights) and are basically now turning into this movement that hates men and aims for female superiority. I believe such a curve of the discriminated becoming the discriminator's is a natural process that seems to happen when equality is aimed for right before real equality tends to kick in. But that doesn't mean I support people who do act that way. [quote=Ferret]Zaresto, thanks aswell for explaining yourself, I see where you coming from but personally I Still believe the thought of heaven to be a very healthy motivator in life, I'm going to pull from personal experiences, which is kind of unfair as it makes it harder for you to counter-point my argument with me going "Are you calling my mother a liar" or something. But the personal story actually does regard my mother, when her father died a few years ago she was absolutely devastated, she was literally a shell of her old self. And I think the one thing that pulled her out of it was the prospect of him being in a better place now. She commonly mentions to us how he is always "looking out for her" in the forms of little trivial bits of good luck, should it be a free parking space, a safe drive home on frosty roads, or a machine giving back extra change, just stupid little positive things that are very easy to ignore. But I believe that the thought of someone looking out for you, just doing their best to make life a little easier for you is such an attractive and mood altering thing, because now, whenever she is in a bad mood, she will try her hardest look for any little bit of positivity in her life. And I can say from personal experience that depression starts when you ignore the positive and focus on the negative [/quote] Ok this is confusing... You just said above that you defend discrimination against Religious people, but now you're defending Religious Logic o.O As for the case of your mother, there is nothing she can do that prove's that those small fortunes of luck were God. Not anymore than someone can prove that rabbit's feet and four leaf clover's are lucky and cause these things. She's basically looking at random good things that happen, lacks an explanation and then just fit's God in there. And also I have a question, when something bad happens to her does she also blame God for it? For example, stuck in traffic, vending machine eats her change etc. Also not being Religious is not ignoring the positive and looking at the negative. It simply means you do not believe in a God, there is no proof or evidence that makes you believe in a God. In fact there are many cases of people becoming less depressed after giving up Religion, cause they no longer feel as if they have a set/sealed fate, that they have power to change it. People realize if they want things to get better they need to go out and do it themselves, not let God do it for them. They take the effort to get out there and help make their own lives better which ultimately makes them happier.