[quote=ShonHarris] You said still some good feminists out there. I think the vantage point may be effecting the overall status of feminism in the modern day. Obviously there are a bunch of extreme perspectives that do more blaming and shaming than actually identifying systemic issues and addressing them -- that's the way of America-- but I'd challenge that this bunch is likely a minority. The fact is feminists working to create change can be loud when necessary, as they should be to make issues known, yet are also likely doing more work behind the scenes pushing proposals and trying to change laws. Groups like Pussy Riot aren't as common here because our oppressive issues are subtle, though pervasive. It still requires a level of theatrics to push awareness though. The case you used about the diaper changing sounds a lot like a minority of feminists who've, honestly, probably had horrible experiences leading to this fear. I wouldn't say their experiences are invalid, but yes, they're generalizing we're all aware. Religion can be positively fulfilling or not. Nothing to do with faith, more about exploration of self and our relationship to the world. Much scripture is focused to meeting an entity separate from ourselves rather than the inward looks a great many do push across faiths. I am speaking of course about Christianity here, where it's constantly said not to judge, to look into yourself for truth, to find the Kingdom of Heaven within yourself, and yet some people still push this idea of being best damned apostle. Yeah, I'd mark that as an annoyance too. I'm a Universalist who has deep respect for Judeo-Christianity, deep, deep respect from my studies of it, and I find that competitive thing highly irritating. The relationship is between self and world. It's grounding. If you're feeling superior to others and separated from the rest, there may well be something wrong. [/quote] The diaper change incident was one everyone else in the class had sympathized and agreed with (Yeah for being the only male there... -.-). Also as far as behind the scenes. That may be true, but then I question why they aren't showing it to prove feminism is still a cause for good. Rather than letting the man haters get all the publicity and then only defend feminism with "You just don't get it", and other logical fallacies. Honestly if my own experience counts for anything almost all people I see supporting gender equality are now humanist, not feminist. The few that are tend to be the easily offended kind who yell at you, block you band call you ignorant out if nowhere in the middle of a game simply for supporting gender equality under a different name. Hell there's only 3 feminist I can think of who are not like then ones I described above. But far more who are. As for Religion. Alot of its scripture also supports rape, murder, slavery, racism, homophobia etc. It may have some decent messages. But I give no respect to beliefs based off a book that encourages such primitive behavior.