[@catchamber] My point was already made, you just don't read my sources and you keep not answering any questions I ask, for starters. But again, burden of proof fallacy. Learn what that is and please stop using it. (You're entire argument needs evidence. I don't need the evidence to disprove something you have no evidence for.) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof The link already goes into human psychology of why people want more. Where is your source of an infinite machine ever existing? Edit: My evidence to people needing and wanting leaders, is nearly every single country, state, sport team, parade, army, animal pack and everything else in the world having them. You need conscious thought to do just about everything and law is order, where does complete lawlessness benefit society? Now, assuming you have a serious point to make, where's your counter examples of what you provided? (Hopefully more than Commensalism, which is specifically about two organisms, like fish and fungus.) Not a large group of people that needs to function as a society.