I really should write an analogue to the Left Behind novels where all these hilarious right wing fever dreams come to pass. She wandered through the bombed out streets of Qubec where the lynch mobs hunted for all those who had refused to bow to sharia law. If only the decrepit socialists had heeded the cries of The Great Matyr. With reverent fingers she touched the forbidden scrap of orange cloth concealed deep in her robes and bitterly repented having ever been foolish enough to believe the poisonous lies of academics and university lectures....

It writes itself! Of course given the prospective readership I'd be banking pretty heavily on a pilgrims progress effect.

edit: ya know, before I deleted everything I wrote and posted a funny video, this was ALMOST a relevant response. Well, now it's a funny video.

Did the Simpsons get way more live actiony then I remember?

And of course we bring Ex ISIS fighters back to the UK, they can burn their passports in a little campfire all they want they are still British citizens who have committed British crimes so they are tried and convicted in their country. This country doesn't work on Brittany Pettibone's bullshit white nationalist standards, they may be mostly brown but they are civically part of this country so they are the UK's problem and they should be punished here.

You're acting like we literally 'let them back in to go free' dropping them in the nearest public park with a free hand grenade and an AK-47.

Pretty crappy? I guess that's the citizen's luxury of only getting to hear about attacks that are actually successful. Do you know how many terrorist attacks and plots have been stopped since the 7/7 London bus bombings? Probably not, because you only hear about the few that slip through and get to make the news. We have a problem with terrorism, so do the US, and going by Las Vegas and all your school shootings, its not strictly a Muslim problem either. So until one of these countries hires Professor Charles Xavier for their counter terror team, expect the prevention rate to NOT be 100%.

No one is saying that it will ever be possible to have a 100% prevention rate, that is just being setting up an impossible standard. Yes the British police have stopped many terrorist plots, congratulations, but I'm sure it would be a heck of a lot easier if they would just be more selective with who they let into the country. Well I will say I am happy that they are at least attempting to bring such people to justice. Also stop with the cracking down on literal 'trolls' and focus on the criminals that actually matter, freaken thought police.

We don't have total free speech in UK, don't like it? You don't have to live here. You can got to one of your lovely corners in America and get full unscensored free speech on your way to the store. We don't accept foreigners coming over here and preaching extremist nonsense.

Yep I don't have to live there and I am thankful I don't, sure you have to deal with morons every so often but easy enough to ignore them as long as they are not promoting actual violence against others through actual 'human' methods. I'd rather hear those views out in the open then know that simply expressing my views can land me in hot water, though admittedly the US is having people trying to trample those rights these days. I'll take my freedom over your speech police any day.

Now I know you really want to call the UK hypocrites and act like we only ban white conservatives. Have a look at our ban list and get back to me. Tell me what percentage are white and conservative. I'll wait.

Eh, never said they 'only' ban white conservatives. I did a quick check and I was happy to see quite a few extremist Muslims on the list. But this particular case seems like an overreach that was unneeded. I won't defend some of those youtubers' more questionable acts, but the fact is I can hardly see any real concrete evidence for why they would need to ban people who are there to do their little speeches and skits, and then leave. Forgive me for being way too proud of my 1st Amendment rights that the UK doesn't have.

@IceHeart

Are you really STILL trying to promote the idea that they kicked her from the country for being a troll? Lauren has been to this country at least 3 times before and has trolled plenty, at brexit rallys, womens marches and student gatherings, it was how she launched her career. Why didnt the 'free speech police' kick her out on all of those occasions if we are SO afraid to hear edgy opinions?

Please I'm waiting for your explanation because you know so much more about the british border system and lauren southern than I do.

She got kicked from the country because she's an extremist whos engaged in borderline terrorist activities with an white nationalist group. And THEY are the ones pushing the U.K. bans right wingers narrative. Take another look at the ban list and find me all the conservatives on there, while youre at it have a look which party currently runs the UK.

The UK has enough homegrown problems as it is, we dont need to add to it ny letting KKK, Islamists and Anti Semites in to talk their shit. They can go to america if they want to promote their brand.

She got kicked from the country because she's an extremist whos engaged in borderline terrorist activities with an white nationalist group.

Such as?

Are you really STILL trying to promote the idea that they kicked her from the country for being a troll? Lauren has been to this country at least 3 times before and has trolled plenty, at brexit rallys, womens marches and student gatherings, it was how she launched her career. Why didnt the 'free speech police' kick her out on all of those occasions if we are SO afraid to hear edgy opinions?

Oh I don't know? Maybe because that was how she launched her career and did not garner as much attention back then? Once someone becomes well known then people tend to pay a lot more attention to what they do. Well let's face it, I can't peer into minds and find out the exact reasons why they did it but the methods they went about it doing it seem suspect.

She got kicked from the country because she's an extremist whos engaged in borderline terrorist activities with an white nationalist group. And THEY are the ones pushing the U.K. bans right wingers narrative. Take another look at the ban list and find me all the conservatives on there, while youre at it have a look which party currently runs the UK.

Na I'll pass, we're here discussing one particular incident, I'm not here arguing that all conservatives are being outright banned.

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Such as?

Anything I show you, youd just call 'fake news'. challenging your conformation bias for lauren southern is something I'm not equppied to do.

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Oh I don't know? Maybe because that was how she launched her career and did not garner as much attention back then? Once someone becomes well known then people tend to pay a lot more attention to what they do.

No that's a load of crap, she was doing far more distruptive things than handing out leaflets before and she was known to the police and they didnt kick her out. The turning point was the organisation she worked with. We also ban members of foriegn terrorist cells in pakistan, Hamas in Palestine and KKK Members. Lauren was just an annoying bitch when she was at the womens march.

It was her affiliation with Generation Identity, a pan european white nationalist organisation who has engaged in radical and illegal activities that put her on the 'extremist' radar. You can criticize this country all you want. The U.S. suffers terrorist attacks from muslims AND non muslims alike and your lax free speech policies dont seem to be doing a whole lot to prevent it, clean up your own damn house and tell your anti semites, white nationalists, KKK members, black nationalists, christian AND islamic religous extemists to stay at home in the U.S. and stay the fuck out of our country.

A hell of a lot of the people on our ban list are american, why do these guys want to talk their shit over here so much, don't you have TED Talks?

@Dynamo Frokane Ignoring the discussion of "can" the U.K ban on several people, not just Laura Southern. (Yes. They can.) She was banned because of "christian terrorist extremism" and as oxymoron-ish as that feels in the modern era. I would love to see video evidence of her going all Antifa, smashing windows, hitting people with bike locks and the rest that rightfully gave them their label. I don't follow Laura, but I have a sneaking suspicion she never did any violence.

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twitter.com/Martin_Sellner/status/973…

The actual question, is how they did so and just how mixed up their priorities are...If they did for genuine safety concerns. Why did they let hundreds of ISIS supporters/fighters?

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theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2015/…

They banned a random rapper before...for lyrics in his music.

(I'd post various links of dumb laws and bans in the U.K, but takes away from my point.)

The U.K is thought policing. And if they want to, fine. But they may want to stop the rape gangs and ISIS fighters, which will do far worse than "disrupt".

@SleepingSilence

I adressed most of this in my original post and I dont feel like repeating myself.

But the one thing I will respond to, is the claim they were kicked for 'christian extremist terrorism' is a load of crap, and I know you cant find one official document confirming that. Try not to take white nationalists on their word just because they have a popular twitter account.

Or do you think that Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone are false labelled WNs, I'm curious to what you think.

@Dynamo Frokane Well after looking, I haven't seen you provide anything dispelling such. Don't even really give proper context to the letter either. Never even heard of either (of the people in question) until U.K banned them for thought crimes. Unless I'm mistaken, if so I'll await such counter evidence. Frankly all it does it give them martyrdom due to UK's blatant hypocrisy. You yourself used the words terrorist referring to Laura Southern, so extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I'm well aware only the United States allows true freedom of speech. This is just another daily reminder. Wish so many people (The left in the US especially.) didn't push the lie that we didn't have more freedoms than the rest of Europe. But I digress.

As for the U.K and U.S's terrorism problem. It is nowhere near equivalent and "your" (The UK, not you.) no real freedom of speech laws, jailing trolls online by the thousands, likely isn't doing anything productive either. Our freedom of speech allows us to criticize bad ideas. You do find the rising crime rate in the UK concerning don't you? Do you think its all "hate" crimes...?

Troll prisons, I love it. Hopefully when they fill up they ship them to Australia.

No that's a load of crap, she was doing far more distruptive things than handing out leaflets before and she was known to the police and they didnt kick her out. The turning point was the organisation she worked with. We also ban members of foriegn terrorist cells in pakistan, Hamas in Palestine and KKK Members. Lauren was just an annoying bitch when she was at the womens march.

It was her affiliation with Generation Identity, a pan european white nationalist organisation who has engaged in radical and illegal activities that put her on the 'extremist' radar. You can criticize this country all you want. The U.S. suffers terrorist attacks from muslims AND non muslims alike and your lax free speech policies dont seem to be doing a whole lot to prevent it, clean up your own damn house and tell your anti semites, white nationalists, KKK members, black nationalists, christian AND islamic religous extemists to stay at home in the U.S. and stay the fuck out of our country.

Hmm well I have never heard of Generation Identity until now so I can't say one way or the other how radical or illegal they are. The question did she stick with them when they went into the illegal territory or not? But since I don't have enough information to say, can't really say one way or the other, also I would like to know exactly what 'illegal' activities they did.

Yes there are problems in the US, but also consider just how much bigger we are, plus the actual rate of 'terrorist attacks' are really quite low despite what the media might try to make you believe. Anyway, I would say right back to you stop harping on the US getting their ducks in a row when in the UK, people are literally too afraid to talk, or do talk and are shut down because they were being 'hateful' toward someone else, allowing grooming gangs like the ones in Telford to do their work for so long.

The way I see it, the UK is going to keep dividing up its population at this rate with their attempts to police speech and there will come a time when the population says enough is enough and things will turn ugly fast. At least in the US the ugliness is on the surface for the most part so it's very easy to identify the loonies from the get go. Healthier to let it all out rather then keep it all in until it explodes into violence.

The US quite quickly got to see who the loonies were after having Antifa raging about destroying public property, their reputation is pretty much in shambles at this point except by hard lefties who are good at sticking their heads in the sand. Of course most the damage done could easily have been avoided if the police had just been allowed to do their jobs in the first place. At least for the most part we don't have the police arresting someone for teaching their dog how to be a 'nazi'...doesn't look like a verdict has happened yet but we'll see.

Instead we get a kid being suspended for not joining in a gun protest...absolutely disgusting. Yep, we got a lot of work to do to restore sanity to the US, that much I'll admit, ha ha ha!

Troll prisons, I love it. Hopefully when they fill up they ship them to Australia.

I suddenly have the urge to commit a crime.

@SleepingSilence Well then you need to look harder, I dont know what to tell ya.

And being locked up/detained for a thought crime is a claim with no evidence behind it. Ive seen some self reported tweets and a 100% fradulent home office letter. Im not willing to take them on their word even if they werent white nationalists.

I said borderline terrorist, crowdfunding to hire a boat to block rescue ships because 4chan's pol board mentioned they may be engaging in illegal immigration, is pretty goddamn radical and the only reason it isnt strictly terrorist is because its in international waters. When these operations are funded by an organisation that wants to preserve the whiteness of europe at all costs (in their own words). It falls into racial extremist territory.

You said you don't know about Martin Sellner, look him up maybe? Keep yourself informed so when you speak about things there arent any gaps in understand who the UK is attempting to kick out.

And Radical Islamic Hate Preaching is a 'thought crime' but I didn't see any of you complaining when we banned those guys from entry.

@POOHEAD189 Australia is SUPER boring. Better to be where the action is.

And Radical Islamic Hate Preaching is a 'thought crime' but I didn't see any of you complaining when we banned those guys from entry.

I wonder what could color their judgement?

@IceHeart

Who in the UK is too afraid to talk?

Where do you think Milo Yianoppolus comes from? Katie Hopkins? Tommy Robinson? Nigel Farage? How in the good fuck are these people still walking the streets with their freedom intact if we jail and deport people for having right wing opinions or pushing anti islam rhetoric?

Do some goddamn research before making these sweeping claims about how the country operates? Youre repeating talking points that are making less and less sense each time.
This is the last time I'm going to do this, read carefully.

We dont allow extreme foriegners into the country:

Including:

Anti-semites, Zionist Radicals, Hamas Officials, KKK Members, Islamic Hate Preachers, Black Nationalists, African War Criminals, White Supremacists and Rape Advocates to name a few.

We bring back, detain, and jail our home grown extremists that cause problems abroad. Its called taking fucking responsibility for the actions of your countrymen and not willingly leaving your shit on another nations doorstep. Maybe you dont consider them british because they are brown and claim to pray 5 times a day, but luckily the law doesnt adhere to your arbitrary grouping mechanisms.

Free Speech is limited in some ways, we have responsible platforming, you can talk all the far right or ultra religous crap you want, but on selected platforms, such as talk radio or debate programmes (see The Big Questions, Question Time, Free Speech, LBC Radio). No one is afraid to say anything, give me ANY contreversial opinion and I'll find someone IN the UK talking about openly in a hot second, I dare you.

@Dynamo Frokane Remember when every single member of the EDL was rounded up?

I wonder what could color their judgement?

I see what you did there.

I really have no context to why these two white girls are controversial. The only actual experience I have of Britain's immigration policy is between 2011 and 2013, and even then I only really heard about how most Immigrants seemed to get a lot of benefits the citizen body didn't, at least in Scotland. They often had better job opportunities and received government (welfare?) checks in a much easier and more timely fashion, and back then I was pretty surprised because 'weird, its the opposite in America.'

But as for the ex-ISIS people being let back in, I can definitely see why it's a hesitation to allow that, but at the same time if they're british citizens and they'll be punished/reprimanded, it's only natural they receive the punishment in Britain.

I really have no context to why these two white girls are controversial. The only actual experience I have of Britain's immigration policy is between 2011 and 2013, and even then I only really heard about how most Immigrants seemed to get a lot of benefits the citizen body didn't, at least in Scotland. They often had better job opportunities and received government (welfare?) checks in a much easier and more timely fashion, and back then I was pretty surprised because 'weird, its the opposite in America.'

But as for the ex-ISIS people being let back in, I can definitely see why it's a hesitation to allow that, but at the same time if they're british citizens and they'll be punished/reprimanded, it's only natural they receive the punishment in Britain.

Optics wise, I can see how it can be a bit confusing, when you think of hate preacher, most people will envision old, brown men screaming into megaphones.

Its hard for certain people in this thread to think a young pretty white girl with a light hearted snarky voice is capable of the same thing.

Ex-ISIS overcompicates it a bit, they didnt morph into some sort of evil arab desert demons. ISIS is just another Gang/Cult full of stupid angry criminals with guns and when they are brought back to this country we treat them as such. Id be worried to give the ISIS thing too much power, U.S. jails cartel members, U.K. jails jihadis, simple as that.