Now that I'm back. Time to get those other Bible quotes. Note: I'm not doing full through Bible searches for all of them, just listing a few of each to get my point across. Note 2: Due to how search results go, most of these are from the King James version. If you want me to get quotes from a specific version, please say so. I had a case last time where the topic of the Bible supporting Rape popped up and I showed quotes to a member proving that it did. Only for a different member to later barge in and basically go "That's not my bible, so they don't count". So if you are the kind who needs it from a specific version in order to count it, please clarify now rather than randomly pulling that card later. It's annoying, and honestly just slows down the process cause almost all the books and translations are identical for the most part anyways (as it was in the case mentioned above too). [hider=Supports Murder] Ezekiel 33:8 Exodus 31:15 Revelation 21:8 Romans 13:4[/hider] [hider=Supports Sexism against Women] Note: Basically any bible quote supporting rape also supports sexism to women. Mainly cause almost all refer to taking women as war prizes, slaves or God approving the kidnapping of women for the sake of marriage and sex. 1 Timothy 2:11 - 2:15 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 14:35 Genesis 3:16 Ephesians 5:22 - 24 Romans 7:2 [/hider] [hider=Supports Homophobia] Leviticus 18:22 Romans 1:27 Leviticus 20:13[/hider] [hider=Supports Racism/Slavery] Ephesians 6:5 - 6:6 Exodus 21:20-21 1 Peter 2:18 1 Timothy 6:1-2 Leviticus 25:44-46[/hider] [quote=ShonHarris]-snip-[/quote] That honestly doesn't sound like first world problems (at least in the cultural sense of the term). Those seem like legit problems to be worried about. Being right on the border can be dangerous and is extremely fragile. I hope you manage to find the extra hours and/or better pay soon. [quote=Brovo] It's too late, I don't think they'll listen when already asked and they didn't stop. [/quote] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He02Z5YdZbg]Yup, it's far too late stop this train.[/url] :P I am more than willing to move this to another topic though if people want. [quote=Jannah]Those verses do exist and are vile, but there's also positive verses that have been used for good. To give a recent example, there's pastors who support LGBT rights and how do they justify it? By using Jesus' words of love. To me, and what I know of Jesus, that is what Christianity should be about, but unfortunately it's not for a lot of people. (I'm an atheist.)[/quote] To me that's the same as saying "I knowing he's a raping, murdering, racist homophobic lunatic. But he's a nice guy if you get to know him". Not in the sense that I claim all religious people are like that (In fact, that's not what I'm implying in the slightest). But in terms of how I view the Religion itself. The good and bad are all part of that religion, and I'm not going to ignore all the vile stuff in the religion just cause it might also have some good in it. Now to clarify, often times when this debate happens people confused my strong disliking of Religion for a strong disliking for religious people. I do not dislike people who are Religious, my issue is not with them. But with the foundation of the Religion itself, the fact something that has no evidence to support not only causes so many people to regard it as fact, but has been known as either the cause, or the tool used for many if not all of the most barbaric acts in human history. [quote=Jannah]We've been almost entirely in agreement up until now. I have my views, but oftentimes I feel they're just better to keep to myself in order to avoid flame war(I have learned the hard way). I'm sure there's many other people who are hesitant to discuss hot topics for that same reason, and that's understandable. Also, it's worth noting that even with opposing views friendships can work. LSW and I have complete polar opposite views yet we get along wonderfully. There has only been one major conflict between us, but we both got over it quickly, not wanting to lose each other. [/quote] I feel the need to clarify first, I was not trying to say "If we disagree on something we can't be friends". Disagreeing can be good, it means people are thinking for themselves and not blindly following whatever they are told. It means there are multiple view points and perspectives to look from, giving humanity for diversity and variety. And I will fully admit I am not 100% right in the opinions and stances I can take. I am positively sure that some of the stances I take in topics will one day turn out to be completely and utterly wrong. That's what I want. I want to be in a world where people are less concerned with trying to simply prove each other right or wrong, and more on finding the true answer. The right answer. Focus on the progress of the topic and humanity as a whole, rather than who get's the most renown for winning X debate. What I was trying to say is I try to be a very blunt and honest person. I don't ever see any point in being silent and not sharing my opinion when it's relevant to the topic on hand (with obvious social exceptions. Like I'm not going to go to some funeral and say "This guy was an asshole, I did not like _______ in front of their loved ones for example). If I do stay quiet, it means I feel the need to hide part of myself and my thoughts to be accepted by the person, and if I need to hide part of who I am for them to like me then I'd rather just not be accepted by them to begin with. I don't care if said person disagree's with me or not, but if they choose to take the disagreement personally and cause drama and hate over it. Rather than being civil about the disagreeing and either handling the disagreement is a responsible and mature manner, or simply agreeing to disagree then it's simply not a friendship I care much to keep. I completely understand others preferring to avoid the topics to keep friendships. They want to be accepted, they don't want a conflict. I am not saying everyone should be like I am when it comes to this, I'm just stating how I am personally on this. I've grown up having an entire school hate me, disagree with me and bully me before. I am strong believer in honesty and openness leads to a better future and decision making cause it puts the facts in front of you. I am used too people hating my guts and wanting nothing to do with me, and I would not accept myself if I chose to stay quiet or lie about what I thought. It's just not who I am, and I'm not afraid of the consequences for being open on my thoughts.