[quote=@Ryik] Thanks. Found the art on Pinterest. It's absurdly useful for the specific purpose of finding good face claims, especially if you keep telling it you're not interested in anything else. This started out as a suggestion but I was also more or less trying to go by what you've said and just generally get a grasp on what each tier of focus entails. Some of these could maybe use some rebalancing, such as Support giving people very little reason to ever do anything but a secondary focus for healing skills and revives, and buffs/debuffs for being extremely committal for very little in return. A tertiary focus might remedy this and I'd generally prefer erring on the side of more options for players, but the details start to feel a bit nebulous. (Though I suppose minor utility and flavor are what most would be after with it) As an example, Ann's single-target only healing pales in comparison to Makoto's Mediarahan. (who herself would only qualify as a tertiary focus by our metrics since she lacks anything else) If primary debuffing is Debilitate (Or equivalent? Still wondering about whether buff/debuff stacking is in and if I can get a debuffing passive as requested in Cliff's app) -and secondary debuffing focus is whatever you want from the base buff/debuff skills, I'd put (Ma)Sukukaja/(Ma)Sukunda under tertiary for being distinctly less useful and more a matter of flavor, or restrict tertiary to a single single-target buff. Tarunda and Rakunda are a bit stronger than their single-target buff equivalents due to their usefulness on bosses though, so it might be ideal to make them unequal. idk. Let me know your thoughts on such. [hider=list of skills? Please review] Primary Phys - Arm's Master + Charge + Brave Blade + Vorpal Blade + 2 of: Apt Pupil, God's Hand, Gigantomachia, Agneyastra Secondary Phys - (Arm's Master + Brave Blade or Vorpal Blade or Apt Pupil + Myriad Slashes or Swords Dance or Megaton Raid + Heat Wave or Swift Strike) or Lucky Punch + Miracle Punch instead of everything else. Seems fitting to keep them exclusive to secondary Phys. Free for everyone (for flavor) - Lunge, Cleave, Vajra Blast Primary Gun - Charge + Snipe aka Gun Boost + Cripple aka Gun Amp + One-shot Kill + Riot Gun or Trigger Happy Secondary Gun - Arm's Master + Gun Boost + Triple Down + One Shot Kill (there is simply not enough gun skills) or Gun Amp or Trigger Happy Free for everyone - Snap Primary Magic - Spell Master + Tier 4 single-target spell or Tier 4 aoe spell + Focus or Megidolaon + Element Boost + Element Amp + Elemental Ailment boost (if applicable) Secondary Magic - Spell Master + Element Amp (the 50% one) + Element Boost (the 25% one) or Megido (for flavor mainly) Free for everyone - -dyne skills Primary Support - (Diarahan + Mediarahan + Salvation + Amrita Shower + Samarecarm) or (Diarahan + Mediarahan + Samarecarm + -karn skills) or (Diarahan + Mediarahan + Salvation + Amrita Shower + -karn skills) Secondary Support - (Diarahan + Mediarahan + Salvation + Amrita Shower) or (Diarahan + Mediarahan + Samarecarm) or (Diarahan + Mediarahan + -karn skills) or (Amrita Shower + Samarecarm) or (Amrita Shower + -karn skills) or (Samarecarm + -karn skills) Primary Buffing - Revolution, Heat Riser, Thermopylae Secondary Buffing - Tarukaja + Rakukaja + Sukukaja + Matarukaja + Marakukaja + Masukukaja + Rebellion Primary Debuffing - Debilitate Secondary Debuffing - Tarunda + Rakunda + Sukunda + Matarunda + Marakunda + Masukunda Primary Ailments - Whatever Ailments you want + Ailment Boost + Specific Ailment Boost Secondary Ailments - Whatever Ailments you want [/hider] So to clarify, would this mean you: A: Start with Debilitate/Heat Riser B: Start with nothing and get nothing but your secondary focus skills and generic spells until you eventually learn Debilitate/Heat Riser? [/quote] Fair points. But also keep in mind that establishing an in-depth faithful recreation of a Persona game's mechanics is not the objective here. If it were, I'd be asking for stats and be providing specifications on how that works. If folks want to go that deep into this than I will, but I wasn't intending on that when I opened this, and it will have to be a group decision. For tertiary focuses: I was considering that initially, but hadn't committed to the idea. If people want to, I will allow a tertiary focus. Single-target buffs, single-target severe magic, severe phys, single kind of support magic, single-target buffs and debuffs. (Note: This isn't unilateral. If a majority of people doesn't want to complicate this further, than we won't. If you're reading this, please sound off and let me know what you think.) I'm considering locking Mediaraihan to a primary focus, though not doing that for now. If only because we haven't seen if we're allowing tertiary focuses yet. Considering doing the same for Amrita Shower, and giving Me Patra or Energy Shower for secondary ailment removal instead. For a primary focus in debuffing, I'll allow the chance to debuffs a random stat. For debuff stacking, I'll leave it up to everyone to see if people want SMT buffs (buff stacking) or Personal buffs (Non-stacking, for a limited number of turns.) (Again, please sound off and let me know what you think.) Finally, the question of Debilitate/Heat Riser and the primary focuses on buffing/debuffing. That's a really good question and I don't have time to sit and ponder that. I'll get back to you on that. For the purposes of Radcliff, I'll allow the passive you're asking for though.