[quote=Mammon]The reason it is a logical fallacy is because you are not arguing against what I am actually trying to say--which is that it is merciful to allow those with enough emotional trauma to consider suicide commit it. I do not condone the execution of perfectly viable and functional people--which the deaf and blind are. What I mean is that animal life is usually considered less important than human life. If people justify the killing of animals to put them out of their misery, it should be easy to see why a human life--which has an extremely high capacity for emotional and mental pain--deserves to be given the same option of peace through death. [/quote]

Which is in itself a logical fallacy.

Because an animal does I should too.

Animals have been known to mate with their parents or sibilings, so should incest be allowed?

[quote=Mammon]You are absolutely right about fear. Most suicide is an act of fear and desperation, this is true (with perhaps maybe metaphysical suicide being the one exception, but that's not really what I'm discussing). To understand how desperate it is, let's briefly think about what it's like to be on a very high building or bridge. When you look over the edge, you experience fear... Fear that you might fall and die. In many people, this fear is enough to trigger a physical response--sweaty hands, increased respiration, dilated pupil, etc. If you've had a near-death experience, recall that the fear you had then was even worse, and you may have had nightmares about it following the incident. Why? You have an innate fear of death. Most suicidal people still experience this fear of death. You said that their fear of living outweighs their fear of death. That's hugely significant! Their daily life is so full of depression, anger, guilt, and fear that they would rather kill themselves than live one more day. Can you pause an appreciate that for a moment? [/quote]

And there are people who have it a thousand times worse who don't become so scared of life that they decide to take the 'easy' way out. 

[quote=Mammon]This brings up an important issue: the means that someone commits suicide. Jumping in front of a train will usually kill someone, but it can leave the engineer or the passengers quite distraught. If suicide were socially understood and accepted as a last resort, I think that people would have a safe and private place to kill themselves without risking harm to other people either physically or mentally. Slavoj Zizek, a modern superstar Lacanian-Marxist philosopher, suggested that perhaps a panel of psychologists review the person's case to determine if it is a temporary sadness, a trauma/mental illness which cannot be overcome, or a metaphysical awakening. Should the last two be true, they would be permitted to kill themselves. If it is a temporary sadness, then they would be provided with the services they need to feel better.[/quote]

No, you make suicide "socially understood and accepted" and you get the "Japan Problem" people killing themselves, with support, over every little problem that afflicts their life. People stop looking for help and start looking for excuses.

[quote=Mammon]Kadaeux, I'm sorry you've dealt with depression since you were 14. It's somewhat normal for people to think about suicide, casually or otherwise. However, this does not give you the right to mock and belittle other people. Bullying is a serious issue; coupled with young hormones and depression or another mental illness, and it can be just as crushing as any other problem. Let's apply some empathy to this situation: pretend you're a freshman in highschool--this is a roleplaying site after-all. 

You have no friends, no girlfriend (though everything biologically is telling you that you NEED one), and you have some physical minor abnormality... Overweight and acne. Despite the fact that you're intrinsically the same as any other human being--capable of complex thought and feeling, of learning and growing, of loving--you've been doomed to being mocked or even physically threatened daily. You feel isolated from the rest of the world. Attempts to make new friends or reach out are cut off and met with avarice. This is not something that goes away. For the next three years, everyday is the same and you fall into depression. Your grades have dropped from skipping school to avoid being tormented. You just come home from school and go to bed and lay there. You try therapy, you try anti-depressants, but nothing helps because you can't stop them from making you feel like a freak, like someone unloved, like someone inhuman. You can't wait one more year, one more month, one more day for relief to come. You take your life into your own hands and you kill yourself.

Can you really say that's not as bad? Sure, Person A lost all of their children in one setting. His pain is immediate and intense. Person B has been mocked over the course of their school career, for years. His pain is slow and grinding. The difference is the duration and intensity, not the overall feeling. This doesn't make one any better than the other.

Further, I notice that you attribute Person A's suicide to external stimulus (the death of his children) but you attribute Person B's suicide to an internal stimulus (a weakness of character). This is a type of victim blaming which is psychologically most common and related to cognitive bias; when you attribute someone's actions to an internal stimulus, you are directly blaming them for their choices. In reality, almost 80% of anyone's choices come from an external stimulus. In Person B's case, it would be bullying.
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Yes I really CAN say that's not as bad, seeing as how, except for "oh no nothing could possibly help me! *Suicides*" BS (Or the overweight part, until I was in my 20s I could eat a horse and not gain weight) that example WAS my high school life. I can't understand what in a BILLION years could possibly make you equate being bullied with having your CHILDREN die.

There is no "victim blaming" here. Because nobody is responsible for killing "B" in your example. They killed themselves because it was "too hard". Yes I AM blaming them for their choices. The bullies didn't kill them. Their poor grades didn't kill them. Unless something horribly horribly wrong occured acne certainly didn't. 

So yes. I can empirically say it is nowhere near as bad as a parent whose children have died. The fact you think that being bullied IS as bad is a massive failure of character on your part.