[quote=Dervish] If you're the show only crowd, I recommend not reading the following post.I want to address the Jaime/ Cersei scene. He did not rape her in the book, she lightly tried to tell him know in case they were caught but she quickly relented, she even led up to it with some surprising tenderness. From the book, since I have it right here, Page 851 of Storm of Swords:dwarfyou.home." This, clearly, is not the same as what we saw on the show. Yes, he was forceful in the book, but nothing like that. It was passion she was receptive to, just worried about getting caught, nothing more. I'm not saying Jaime's a great man, and he's certainly done some fucked up stuff, like the whole Bran toss and incest thing, but violently raping Cersei? What the shit. You can't even pretend that the book and the show are the same thing with the same personalities for that scene. Hell, from the man himself: http://defamer.gawker.com/george-r-r-martin-distances-himself-from-game-of-thron-1565857941"The "butterfly effect" is presumably in reference to the idea that one small change in the story necessitates later changes, reverberating for the entirety of the television show. Martin is sympathetic to the creative plight of Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, who are tasked with translating sprawling fantasy novels into popcorn television, but he essentially lets them live or die on their own decision with regard to this episode's rape scene, making it clear that he was does not recall being consulted (as he sometimes is) on the alteration.His final statement, in which he apologizes for a decision that he did not make, is admirable even. The scene as he wrote it—a brother and sister having public reunion sex beneath the corpse of their son—is disturbing, and would have been sufficiently so on the show. But the so-called "wrong reasons" fall in the lap of Benioff and Weiss, who—in a decision that has yet to be explained—transformed that scene into a rape.Martin has said his piece, and at some point Benioff and Weiss will have to as well." [/quote] Spoilers yada yada yada: Ok this is going to get into some seriously morally grey discussion points, but if Cersei says "no" to his sexual advances (especially if you're like me, and you think she genuinely didn't want to have sex next to the corpse of her dead child, and was just being "tender" as a way to manipulate Jaimie in typical Cersei-fashion to murder his own beloved brother) and he continues anyway, that's pretty rapey. Yes, she [i]eventually[/i] reciprocates, but I feel that's fairly irrelevant. He was going to go through with it no matter what (He specifically says he doesn't even hear here requests to stop, he's so horny). Whether or not Cersei's eventual reciprocation makes it "not a rape," (which is in itself a really grey area), he seems pretty committed to the act. Dude's a rapist, or at least was perfectly content with committing a rape. Now, as for what GRRM says, I think the most important thing to note is that he doesn't actually condemn the scene. He only says "The circumstances were different, and therefore the scene was different," which is pretty much what I said in my first post. In the books, they're both overcome with emotion after seeing each other, and things happen as they happen. In the show, Jaime's been around KL for awhile now, and he hasn't been having a great time. His Kingsguard thinks he's a joke with only one hand, his father has almost literally disowned him, his fights with Bronn are making him suspect that he may never fight competently again (and therefore in his own eyes, be useless), and Cersei, the one person he usually relies on to understand and comfort him, has been exceedingly cold and distant (and has even implied that things may never go back to the way they were). Add on to that the fact that his King/nephew/son is now dead due to what he most likely considers to be his own failings as a Kingsguard, and now Cersei, after being so cold to him, now expects him to murder his own brother (the only person who's even been remotely friendly to him after arriving at the capitol barring Brienne) just because she's being irrational and angry. And it all boils over in anger and disgust, for his own situation, for his failings, for Cersei ("You truly are hateful. Why have the Gods made me love a hateful woman?"), which in turn leads to sexual violence (because even if he's disgusted with Cersei at that moment, she's still the only object of his lust). Again, this isn't to say the scene couldn't have been better, or could've been changed to make Jaime less despicable. In fact, I think if they had gone with the original emotional tone that was in the book, it would've been more compelling. That being said, the more I think about it the more I see their reasoning, and the more I think it makes sense in the context of the story. I'm actually interested to see where they'll take the Cersei/Jaime relationship from here, as I feel its spinning off in a new but not wholly unbelievable direction.