[quote=Magic Magnum] Most of OT people are in spam.But most of spam are not in OT.We even have people from OT here who were part of spam admit it's pretty bad and they stop or reduce going there as a result.As for the magician example, you're implying the magician is already showing the trick. In which case you consider the trolling, derail of topics, and cliche making to be their Intelligence.If that's what spam's Intelligent coversations are... then they have none.There is a huge difference between having an actual argument and points behind it, and simply trying to troll people to assert some sort of "Dominant Alpha Spam Male" position without actually ever addressing or giving thought to a certain topic. So if they're replies of "You're stupid" or "Words! Words are boring! Look how cool I am cause I posted this picture!" is what counts as Intelligent debates that can't be recognized. Then that's basically the same as saying "That McDonald's cashier's job is just as important, thought provoking and respectable that a scientists work in evolution. You just can't recognize it!". [/quote] You are completely ignoring what I'm saying, you're moving the goal posts, your point is tangentially related to the subject we were discussing, and you're taking a shit on McDonald's employees, who most are just trying to survive. Your either retarded or a very good troll, either way I'm done with you. Learn how to debate your point proper, then try again. Without the classist bullshit as well. e: I was never arguing spam is a place for debates, I just think it's dumb to say you can't have a discussion that's intelligent in spam, when you have to be pretty intelligent to find a way to fit in. Which is why the best posters are generally pretty smart, erego they must be having discussion that's intelligent, even if it doesn't fit your weird arbitrary standards. Please get over being laughed out of spam, you can say their nothing but trolls, but that's because you don't know how to fit in with them lmao.