[quote=So Boerd]I do not think they are equivalent, I think suicide is much worse.[/quote]

Then stop comparing them. It only makes you look the fool, when the position against suicide is a fine one to have by its own base nature. I'm not much one for being emotionally connected to people, so this is simply two different minds seeing two different things from the same situation.

I see it as person X wants to die: Let them under Y and Z qualifications.

You see it as person X wants to die, but it will hurt other people: Don't let them.

You don't have to involve an asinine, nonsensical comparison in that. All it does is weaken your argument. This is a tip for the future, if you stick around. :lol

[quote=So Boerd]And I was not talking about hate crimes, I was talking about the racial slur guy to prove how silly an ideology which sets suicide as better is.[/quote]

I haven't in any way, shape, or form, stated that racism is worse than suicide. I haven't even stated a position on whether suicide is good or bad, right or wrong. I've stated that [i]it is[/i], and that it is a person's own decision, and that if they are of sane mind, they should be allowed to do so. Meanwhile racism is either a belief, which a person is allowed to have, or a series of actions against a person with the intent to dehumanize and destroy, which is irrevocable wrong.

[quote=So Boerd]You have been forced to add violence to my racism comparison to maintain consistency.[/quote]

Because it's the only way your comparison could even be considered [i]sane[/i]. Comparing death to anything not death related tends to be a complete failure in terms of how serious the two articles being compared are.

[quote=So Boerd]Ultimately, I find all suicide wrong on a religious level.[/quote]

And I'm an atheist. So this is probably why you're not getting through to me. :hehe

[quote=So Boerd]What I can prove secularly is that parents should not commit suicide because they are already commited to obligations. When you had the child, you committed to raise it.[/quote]

Sure, I dig that. Until the kid reaches an age where they can self-sustain themselves, it is actually detrimental to the continued survival and independence of the dependents.

So we're in agreement there.