[quote=Turtlicious]Ugh, I barely skimmed what you wrote, because again you're doing that thing where you use way more words then necessary.I was just laughing at him for the absolute ridiculous story. I am allowed to find things humurous and state my opinions am I not? Or are you going to try and rile the troops to get me banned again. You know for a group of people who talk about how much they want intelligent discussion, you guys seem to do a to discourage it.[/quote]

So without even reading it you assume it's too long? :P
Well that's one fast way to remove yourself from a debate, refuse to listen to the other side.

And also, I was never one of the people who tried to ban you.
We discussed this in private before and you know this very well Turt.

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Yes quite. Yet you go on to make a valid point. There's no point in saying "That didn't happen". There are numerous factors that should sink in before trying to neuter such a large claim, such as, "Well why would someone who lived through a horror movie want to give one hundred percent proof of what had occurred?" *I'm talking to Turt here*, Would Turtle like to ask a female victim of assault her Doctor's results of the pap smear? Her STD testing? Etcetera? Would Turtle like to butt in to her therapist's business, have a little talk with her Church pastor, have her show him the putrid crime scene? Not to mention, there are some things that for some reason just don't get reported in the news, even murders. At least not through the news media the way I think he means. What if it not never got reported, what if a lot of other things happened that Turt couldn't know about just because he has nothing to do with it. By the way, just saying, you have something to do with it because I talked about it, isn't an excuse to go making railing accusations and attacking someone's credibility out of, well statistical analysis. People have been known to spontaneously combust. Does it make it any less fucking painful, after surviving being set on fire, God knows how, just because some bumbling, armchair detective, faux lie detecting Internet Tought Guy thinks he has the right to be a pain in the ass?
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Holy shit... :/

That completely flew under the radar for me, and you're right. A ton of these cases do get unreported, and on top of that I was totally out of line to imply [u]any[/u] claimed victim needs to bring such testimony/proof forward to make claims. Sorry man, I normally try to be careful on this stuff but I dropped the ball hard right there.

That being said, I still need to address future arguments made purely on the basis of the argument and not on the stories you mentioned above, may it influence my reading of your argument in a positive or negative way. That's the point of discussion/debate, to address it on the argument itself, not the individual or history behind it. But I was totally out of line to say proof of any kind should be expected when it comes to such a personal case/incident (and this is one of the rare cases you'll catch me saying something like this. Almost [u]all[/u] kinds of things require some evidence to back it up, such as say if this was in court and the case was over charging _______ with rape.

And I'm rambling at this point...
Put plainly, I messed up (badly) and I apologize. I should not expect anyone to ever be required to provide proof for a claim such as being raped.