[quote=Magic Magnum] So without even reading it you assume it's too long? :PWell that's one fast way to remove yourself from a debate, refuse to listen to the other side.And also, I was never one of the people who tried to ban you.We discussed this in private before and you know this very well Turt.Holy shit... :/That completely flew under the radar for me, and you're right. A ton of these cases do get unreported, and on top of that I was totally out of line to imply claimed victim needs to bring such testimony/proof forward to make claims. Sorry man, I normally try to be careful on this stuff but I dropped the ball hard right there.That being said, I still need to address future arguments made purely on the basis of the argument and not on the stories you mentioned above, may it influence my reading of your argument in a positive or negative way. That's the point of discussion/debate, to address it on the argument itself, not the individual or history behind it. But I was totally out of line to say proof of any kind should be expected when it comes to such a personal case/incident (and this is one of the rare cases you'll catch me saying something like this. Almost kinds of things require some evidence to back it up, such as say if this was in court and the case was over charging _______ with rape.And I'm rambling at this point...Put plainly, I messed up (badly) and I apologize. I should not expect anyone to ever be required to provide proof for a claim such as being raped. [/quote] Alright. I wasn't necessarily aiming this at you, but thank you for your integrity. :D Apology accepted. I need to sleep. Night. ^_^