[quote=Jorick] I see Drakel is using specious nonsense to try to claim certain people (including himself, how very convenient) aren't killers. I realize that I'm also nominally free from speculation if we were to accept this absurd reasoning, but fuck that noise, I'm here to actually find the killer through logical analysis and deduction. There is no reason whatsoever that one member of a couple cannot be a killer. The fact that there is likely a matchmaker role means that one of the couples is very probably tied together by said role, and the other exists just to throw doubt into things so we don't know for sure who the matchmade couple is. The matchmaker could have randomly gotten lucky and picked the killer for part of the pair, and Shy very easily could have picked the killer to be part of the other couple for the sake of further drama and to hoodwink those who think like Drakel.Furthermore, there is even less reason to discount one of the brothers as the killer just because they happen to be brothers. That makes no sense at all. "They're proud brothers so neither of them is the killer!" Right, because a killer can't be a proud brother? Just like someone in a relationship could never kill anyone, huh? A huge key of this equation is that in the story the killer has been hired, they're not just some random murderous bastard who wandered in off the street. For people with lots of money troubles, or for greedy people, money can be one hell of an incentive to do bad things, up to and including murder. No romantic or brotherly relationship would prevent one so inclined to do bad things for money from going through and doing so.Also, I'm just gonna go ahead and note that Drakel seems highly suspicious to me now due to his ham-handed attempt to remove suspicion from himself. The brothers seem like a tacked on addition just to muddy the waters and make it seem like he wasn't just trying to lay a blanket of protection over himself, as it might have been even more obvious he was doing so were he only able to point out four people (including himself) who nobody should suspect right now. Seems like just the kind of thing a killer who's not very good at RD would try to do, y'know? [/quote] What? I'm just saying the only thing I noticed, which was "The master" said there was only one killer and that half the game are in couples that so far seem really happy with one another. Of course there is a possibility to be hoodwinked but right now there is literally no proof of anything other than that, maybe we'll know more by the next turn but still that's my observation. I'll admit I'm not too sure on that right now either but until we gain further proof I'm going to say all couples (including the two brothers) are safe and are not the killer. Now the reason I'm not sure on squee and me's couple nor you and Nat's... me and squee just looked at each other, making me think there there may be a possibility that our marriage isn't working out, which would include her in my personal list of a possible killer again though as I said I'm gong to play it safe and say we're a nice happy couple until proof says otherwise... But in the end, with what we're given, it's logic that a married couple knows one another pretty well. Which is why I'm saying she's good. Nat and you are also just BFs.. Which is nothing serious and could even be a very recent in your relationship as well, but you and nat grabbed each other which imo symbolizes you both love each other and I'm also considering that there might not be gay marriage where we're at so you guys could also have known each other for years but haven't gotten married. So again, until further proof is given you're not the killer either. Now the two that I KNOW can't be the killer would be K 97 and Alpha... They are brothers and are proud of such and even joined the game together. In all Rabbit doubts the game continues until the killer kills everyone, that would mean that if one of them was the killer, than he would have to kill the other brother, which to me is something that is very unlikely since they ARE proud brothers... like really Jorick if you were proud of your brother would you really kill him? I highly suspect your answer would be no, which helps my point. They can't possibly be the killer cause if one of them was the killer, than it's likely that that killer would have to kill their brother too, which wouldn't make a good story if they truly were proud of each other as the OP states. So yes, they will not get my vote at all because I know they can't be it. It's ignorant and illogical if you suspect otherwise until we gain proof that they really hate each other... Which I highly doubt. Now this isn't me saying "guys I ain't the killer" or "Guys the killer MUST be ____" I honestly don't know who the killer is and you probably are right, I could be wrong about squee, you and nat... But for now, by what we are so far given that's the only observation that I have of the situation... The killers MIGHT be you, squee, nat, alpha or k97, but from what I see they probably aren't UNTIL PROOF SAYS OTHERWISE. My observation was a really simple one Jorick, but instead just for sake of tl;dr... 1) The Master says there is only ONE killer (besides himself), the killer was also a hired gun. 2) Me and Squee are married, which means we probably know each other for years. Means unless we are in a bad relationship, she's not the killer imo. 3) You and Nat are a gay couple, and seem happy to be such so you probably aren't it until we're given a time on how long you've been together. 4) Alpha and K97 are proud brothers and can't be the killer imo because it just wouldn't make sense story wise. Again, until I gain proof that any one of the three pairs aren't happy with one another or have a huge motive to kill the other, they are safe from any form of lynch from me... Take my observation as you will but for right now it's good to at least try to determine who isn't a killer even though we can't determine who is. Also, about that final statement about what I'm doing being "Newb killer" on my part I'd like to remind you that I've been in almost every doubt so far, I think I know how to play a killer when I am one and I do know what I did is a suspicious move, which is why I did it. If I wasn't content with my role would I really do such a dangerous move? I'm not as dumb as you may believe Jorick... Plus the next turn is coming up so more proof on who the killer may be would spotting the killer would be a lot more easy.