Okay... Just to clarify... I'm going to do the OT's favorite "Break a post down" thing... [quote=Jorick] Okay, Drakel, lemme take a cherry picked quote from your long post to emphasize why your claims are ridiculous and baseless.[/quote] First off, I'm not saying anything is 100%, I'm saying as far as I could read there is so far proof that they're unlikely to be killer since there is only one until we gain some proof against these couples... I said this several times. [quote=Jorick]You're assuming that the GM, whose purpose is to deceive the players, is giving everything to you straight. Ever heard of the unreliable narrator trope? That could absolutely be in play, especially since the entire post was from the point of view of the character Shy and he could have been reading into things very incorrectly.[/quote] Not really, What I was doing was saying "Hey, I just noticed something that should be of note" Yes I've heard of Narrator Trope. Yes I know Shy can use it and baffle us all. Yes I know this is all in the point of view of Shy... This is but the first post though what I'm saying is that after observing it I noticed that there is only one killer, no more and that the couples are seemingly unlikely so far in the story... This means two thing, either the killer is someone who is single or is someone within the couples and would be an easier spot later on in the story. Once we see a problem in someone's relationship it'll show motive of one of the partners killing the other and thus making things a bit more easier to spot, that's why I said you should note it down. [quote=Jorick] Alternatively, things could appear one way on the surface but be very different elsewhere. The relationship between you and Squee could be a loveless shell of a marriage.[/quote] I just said that... Only difference is that I said that we seem like we have a happy marriage though the chances of that being just for show is fairly equal to it not being such... once the next turn or a few after comes there should be enough proof to determine if it is or isn't... [quote=Jorick] The relationship between me and Nat could be a recent and shallow thing wherein we truly know nothing of each other.[/quote] I just said that as well.. again, same thing as above... [quote=Jorick] The brothers could appear to be proud but have a lot of deep-seated resentment and jealousy.[/quote] That is a possibility if Shy waves his hand in the air and says "fuck all" but as I said, so far if one of them was the killer the ends really just doesn't justify the means. It'd make little sense imo. When you read how they talk it seems as though K97 brought Alpha to team up and help them win grand prize, they are both proud to be brothers by just how things were written in the OP... One Killing the other really just doesn't seem right. To make any sense of this would be if they both were killers, but as OP said there was only one. K97 yes does have military training but that is also way too obvious for a killer too.. He is probably detective and Alpha is a lot smarter than his brother though again I doubt he's killer too... His role is probably something that gives him a free pass through a puzzle. A one time Insta-win in other words, which would make a lot of sense given how this game is played. Only way for either of them to possibly be killers and still make sense is if K97 was jealous of Alpha or if Alpha was heavily bullied by K97... Which I think it slim (but still possible I guess). Ergo I can honestly say that I know they can't be the killers unless blatant proof says otherwise. [quote=Jorick] And finally, I reiterate that the GM's purpose is to fuck with us and deceive us, and that alone should be enough to discount any notions of love between characters freeing them from suspicion, because that would be playing into the hands of both Shy and the killer.[/quote] I'm not denying this Jorick... It's true maybe the GM is deceiving us but for now we all have to work with what we are given and so far what I said is all I noticed from what we were given, which I think everyone here can agree is not much. [quote=Jorick] The fact that these pairs are coming into the game as pairs means absolutely nothing in a game of Rabbit Doubt. [/quote] We differ in this opinion. I think the couples do play a major role but I guess opinions do vary.