[quote=Tydosius] First of all, free will. It can't be removed. It can be dampened, a lot, but not removed. Second of all, in a universe of chaos and free will, a plan can fail, and omnipotence is something we assume has the same meaning as god-like, even if, well, it isn't true.Sorry, sorry, cool like fonz, cool like fonz.On topic, it is not selfish to commit suicide, but it is infuriating. It also evokes those weird emotions that regular feeling humans have. [/quote] Hm. To quickly rebuttle without derailing. 1. In a universe where any entity can know the future with any sort of certainty (omniscience) and shape it with absolute certainty (omnipotence), there is no such thing as free will, in the same sense that no matter how well designed an AI is in a computer game, it will always perform the functions you programmed it to. 2. A God may or may not exist. I don't know. That God may or may not be perfect. I don't know. It may not even be a God, it may be space aliens, or it may be nothing at all and we simply formed as a natural process. I don't really know... But on a topic as sensitive as suicide, God should take a back seat to the person's well being first and foremost. Family, friends, counseling, psychiatric evaluation, medical assistance--all far more important than a god in the case of suicide. If your best argument against suicide is that it might make a being whose mere existence is unprovable frustrated that things didn't go accordingly to plan, [i]you have massively skewered priorities considering this is a person's [b]life[/b] on the line[/i]. But, free will. The person will do as they may. The best one can do is support them emotionally and try to guide them to a healthy course, then respect whatever decision it is they end up making for themselves, so long as they do it with a sound mind.