ASTA said
I think we're vastly underestimating physical strength, and grossly overestimating magical ability. Contrary to popular belief, human punches are rather destructive. For the record, professional boxers like Mike Tyson more or less wield their fists like small war-hammers; if one of these guys were to hit you in the head, it would be like someone crushing your face inward with a club, most likely leaving you with brain damage. Tyron's surreal punching power is most likely derived from his physical strength, mass (throwing his body weight into the punch), his lack of 'arm punching', his act of pivoting during the punch, and his foot work. Additionally, these fighters have conditioned themselves to withstand such blows, putting them several notches above the average man or woman. Granted, such high-power impacts are cushioned by the boxing gloves they wear as well as small tactics used on the target's behalf--such as dodging and weaving and stepping forward into the punch to lessen the distance the punch travels in midair---but it's still impressive stuff. I believe Tyson had a punching power rated at 1,750-2,000 psi, which is nearly twice that of the bite force generated by a spotted African hyena, with this animal more than capable of breaking bones with its jaws. And this is at low-tier. I don't want to imagine what a high-tier rated punch is like.

LeeRoy said
It's easier to just say how much they can lift to give an approximation, simply because sitting down and doing the math on how fast and hard a character can punch is fucking tedious.Also, speed is super important in how much force your punch carries. If you can't swing your arm fast then you aren't gonna carry any significant force.

MelonHead said
Yes, so people who take the limitation of being gigantic or specifically strength based should be able to lift more, and some very other specific circumstances.But not insane amounts, like your character should be able to lift its body weight, regardless (because this scales with other limitations) and if you happen to be Superman, then you can have maybe 250tonnes of lifting potential.Anything more than that and it becomes pretty stupid, Skallagrim himself was loathe to increase lifting capacity past 100 tonnes, and barring Khan's uber slow turtle, only General Freedom presents this idea that intermediate is in some way comparable to high tier, and that's just General Freedom, who's OP.Like usual, we're playing intermediate as a fair bit lower than it needs to be and using our brains and interesting abilities rather than OP characters and only the desire to win (because that's essentially what min-maxing turns into, doing exactly what you have to in order to win.)

Green said
Yeah, that makes sense.

LeeRoy said
I think it should be put up to a vote, like who all is in favor of increasing the strength of characters and who all is in favor of keeping it the way it is?

GreivousKhan said
Increasing it to how much though? I think at most it should be no more then 250 tons. Enough to lift most characters and suitably large things to throw at people, realty don't need anything more if one is worried about punching through something.(It occurs to me the only real disadvantage purely physical characters have in regards to high-tech and magical opponents is the lack of prep capability, but that's another thing entirely)

GreivousKhan said
Increasing it to how much though? I think at most it should be no more then 250 tons. Enough to lift most characters and suitably large things to throw at people, realty don't need anything more if one is worried about punching through something.(It occurs to me the only real disadvantage purely physical characters have in regards to high-tech and magical opponents is the lack of prep capability, but that's another thing entirely)