In short, unless you find a really smart archive demon (unlikely) or commune with the gods themselves, much of the past is lost to time. You might happen upon relics deep underground, but so much time has pasted that you'd find ruins rather than artifacts.

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Ahh, my first Saturday free since I started this job....this feels....odd.

Anyway, time to get to posting and resuming mine and Lucius's conversation, after which its time to raise hell on Dark Souls 2.

Fallenreaper said
Unlikely as it main function is to teach students about their magic and usually Ren interferes some times when too much of the past is discovered. The thing about Demons, other then special ones like Khan's, they aren't souls at all but rather Evlis/Sins of them which are separated at time of death. Which the Demon might have echoing memories of their past lives, as Lucius said it's not reliable including the way they keep stuff and most don't even remember their lives before the Inferno. That's the way I understood it when he explained it. So it's unlikely Demonomancers would learn of the history and objects of the past were destroyed by the nukes and Gods. Keep in mind, the past is repeating itself again. If humans and other races discover modern tech too fast, magic fades and disappears. Look at what has happened to the Ancient magic... In the last 200 years it was as common as the others but with the rediscovery of the book, a few tech advantages and so, the magic is pushed out as a result. That's why the man in the prologue hadn't heard of the College... At that point, the magic has faded enough because people no longer depend on it. :P

That seems ridiculous. Wouldn't the fusion of magic and technology be much more likely? I can think of all sorts of ways that could happen, people using objects and whatnot to focus their magic power, and meanwhile runes can provide for the common people. Techs existence just causing magic to suffer critical existence failure is nonsense (People not knowing they can? alright. people suddenly being unable to cast because someone invented indoor plumbing somewhere? stupid). But, yeah a stubborn adherence to the old ways could cause magic to sputter and die like I imagine it happened the first time, but if mages and whatnot were willing to look into ways to synergise and move forward, they would be able to preserve their art. Vitamancy alone is vastly superior to all modern medicine, and almost all of the other magics are superior in their intended purpose to modern means. Just magic fading away seems like a waste.

Has anyone engaged Mackendrick yet?

Cynn has.

Alright thank you. I can get on to writing Deven's post then.

Freeshooter92 said
That seems ridiculous. Wouldn't the fusion of magic and technology be much more likely? I can think of all sorts of ways that could happen, people using objects and whatnot to focus their magic power, and meanwhile runes can provide for the common people. Techs existence just causing magic to suffer critical existence failure is nonsense (People not knowing they can? alright. people suddenly being unable to cast because someone invented indoor plumbing somewhere? stupid). But, yeah a stubborn adherence to the old ways could cause magic to sputter and die like I imagine it happened the first time, but if mages and whatnot were willing to look into ways to synergise and move forward, they would be able to preserve their art. Vitamancy alone is vastly superior to all modern medicine, and almost all of the other magics are superior in their intended purpose to modern means. Just magic fading away seems like a waste.

Magic exists because of the Gods period. Recounting history, what has happened over and over when technology appears? Humans tend to forget the Gods and that is what causes the Magic to wane. And after what happened the last time they involved themselves heavily into the mundane day to day, do you honestly think the Gods would risk that again? Not to mention tech and magic together, then the very mortals basically could over take the Gods and recreate the world. Something that is not a good thing for Fate to sort out in her opinion.

Fallenreaper said
Magic exists because of the Gods period. Recounting history, what has happened over and over when technology appears? Humans tend to forget the Gods and that is what causes the Magic to wane. And after what happened the last time they involved themselves heavily into the mundane day to day, do you honestly think the Gods would risk that again? Not to mention tech and magic together, then the very mortals basically could over take the Gods and recreate the world. Something that is not a good thing for Fate to sort out in her opinion.

So...shoot lightning from your hands, or invent rock n' roll...

These moral choices everyone has to make must be unbearable!

Basically, as mortals become less reliant on the magic made from the gods, the less they have to associate with it. The gods, in turn, begin to take away the magic, forcing humanity to either give up their ways and resume their worship of the gods, or continue away from the gods and try to become self-sufficient. Of course, it's not that simple either. If say, a god throws a hissy fit and decides to say "Screw you, mortals!" and leaves, this forces mortals to either adapt or die. If they are suffering too much, they may try to get their gods favor back. Or they survive, and make due. That would likely be why the Ancient Magics are rarer; the gods that ones were their patrons, for some reason, loosen their influence on the mortal world. And the mortals decide that they don't really need it and don't bother to try to bring the gods back, making due with either different magics or their own means.

So Free, let make try to make an example of how it could turn out. You know that only those with Lux mageblood can use Pyromancy or Vitamancy. But if mortal technology advances were anyone could use something akin to Pyromancy or Vitamancy, it would likely gain more use than mages who have the blood for it, due to it now becoming more common. The god of Lux or it's derivative would than have to decide whether or not it should bother keeping attention to the mortal world, seeing that their influence is waning. They likely wouldn't, and so Pyromancy and Vitamancy as a blood magic dies out. In the best of both worlds, one could fuse magic and technology together, but that merely means that you have to take into consideration both their flaws. Magic, while commonplace, is not given freely throughout the world. No one can simply go to the college and learn magic unless they have the blood for it, which mostly randomly determined (Not even being a child of mages ensures mage blood, just makes it more likely). There are more normal mortals than there are mages, you only see many mages because we're at a location were there is suppose to be many mages.

Technology, while complicated and hard to develop quickly, can be used by anyone and become common place. Magic, while powerful at it's beginning, can only be used by a selected few, and fewer who could ensure the maintenance of things created by magic. When Technology becomes more efficient than magic, wouldn't it make sense to chose the better alternative? It's not to say that technology is superior, simply that when your population of magic users is dwarfed by the population of non-magic users, the majority would like an equalizer. In a perfect world there would be a balance between magic and science, but that is not the case.

The Irish Tree said
So...shoot lightning from your hands, or invent rock n' roll...These moral choices everyone has to make must be unbearable!

How prophetic, I just bought devil may cry not an hour ago.

Freeshooter92 said
How prophetic, I just bought devil may cry not an hour ago.

W-Well, I knew that because...because...

*jumps out the window

I think it makes perfect sense, though what about something like noxomancy, which doesn't rely on archanite? Or, psychomancy, that technology cannot replace.

All magic relies on Archanite, in some way or form. And even if technology will have a hard time replacing more specialized magic, there are other ways to lose them. Like simply killing off all those who practice it.

As Satori's demonstration showed, not everyone likes the idea that someone could go poking into your head or give you horrible nightmares. People would get killed just to make sure it doesn't happen.

Demonmancers would likely get hit hard from this due to the inherent nature of demons and would be hunted down to prevent Demons from entering out world. Not that it'll stop them, but it's the thought that counts.

Noxomancers are in the same boat as Psychomancers; they share a similar blood, so they'll be hunted down at the risk they too will become Psychomancers.

And so on and so forth. But that's just in the realms of possibilities, who knows what the future holds for us. Maybe magic and technology could go hand-in-hand and live long and prosper. Isn't that what you students are suppose to ensure happens?

Konan375 said
Cynn has.

Thanks for that, I wouldn't have been able to see it before right now.

Lucius Cypher said
All magic relies on Archanite, in some way or form. And even if technology will have a hard time replacing more specialized magic, there are other ways to lose them. Like simply killing off all those who practice it.As Satori's demonstration showed, not everyone likes the idea that someone could go poking into your head or give you horrible nightmares. People would get killed just to make sure it doesn't happen.Demonmancers would likely get hit hard from this due to the inherent nature of demons and would be hunted down to prevent Demons from entering out world. Not that it'll stop them, but it's the thought that counts.Noxomancers are in the same boat as Psychomancers; they share a similar blood, so they'll be hunted down at the risk they too will become Psychomancers.And so on and so forth. But that's just in the realms of possibilities, who knows what the future holds for us. Maybe magic and technology could go hand-in-hand and live long and prosper. Isn't that what you students are suppose to ensure happens?

[coughcough]Cynn[/coughcough]

You know my price. For now, there are many things that calls to my attention. I will be back at some point in time. You know that I would never abandon you... For I am merciful.

Lucius Cypher said
All magic relies on Archanite, in some way or form. And even if technology will have a hard time replacing more specialized magic, there are other ways to lose them. Like simply killing off all those who practice it.As Satori's demonstration showed, not everyone likes the idea that someone could go poking into your head or give you horrible nightmares. People would get killed just to make sure it doesn't happen.Demonmancers would likely get hit hard from this due to the inherent nature of demons and would be hunted down to prevent Demons from entering out world. Not that it'll stop them, but it's the thought that counts.Noxomancers are in the same boat as Psychomancers; they share a similar blood, so they'll be hunted down at the risk they too will become Psychomancers.And so on and so forth. But that's just in the realms of possibilities, who knows what the future holds for us. Maybe magic and technology could go hand-in-hand and live long and prosper. Isn't that what you students are suppose to ensure happens?

Just look at the Dragon age series. That's the perfect example. Mages get alienated and locked away because they are too powerful and cannot be trusted, not to mention that if they can easily be possessed by demons.

Leon5431 said
Just look at the Dragon age series. That's the perfect example. Mages get alienated and locked away because they are too powerful and cannot be trusted, not to mention that if they can easily be possessed by demons.

To a lesser extent, the Mage's College in Skyrim can serve as an example, as well.

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