Magic Magnum said
They were riding they're bikes, they got hit.Yes it may of been easier to happen cause it was night but that doesn't mean they're idiots for having been killed.And if anything them being under 18 has nothing to due with the parents being sued for the claims the driver is making.

Riding bikes at night while wearing dark clothes and no reflectors on the bike, they are morons. The morons being under 18 makes the parents financially liable for their stupidity that damaged the driver's car.

Revans Exile said
Riding bikes at night while wearing dark clothes and no reflectors on the bike, they are morons. The morons being under 18 makes the parents financially liable for their stupidity that damaged the driver's car.

Wow and I thought I was cold.

Brovo said Wow and I thought I was cold.

Thank you.

Revans Exile said
Thank you.

Well at least you took it as a compliment, can't knock ya for that.

This sort of thing is why we have laws about riding a bike at night here. A you must be wearing reflective clothing, B your bike must be fitted with reflectors and lights (typically people get once that flash rapidly for the rear of the bike so as to easier get attention) and unrelated to the night riding laws but relevant to bikes in general, they just introduced a law that in areas with a speed limit over 60 kph drivers must pass cyclists with a minimum of 1 meter between them and the rider.

All this stuff is quite frankly common sense really.

Because the damage to the car is negligible, there should be no such laws. Your physical safety is your business. If you want to take needless risks, that is on you.

So Boerd said
Because the damage to the car is negligible, there should be no such laws. Your physical safety is your business. If you want to take needless risks, that is on you.

On the contrary, a 100-200 lb projectile of fairly solid matter can do surprising damage to a car. It is possible for a cyclist to cause enough damage in a collision for the car to be a write-off (more expensive to fix than the car itself is worth). Yes, the damage can be insignificant, but it can also be substantial.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

Brovo said
Well at least you took it as a compliment, can't knock ya for that.

I worked very hard to be cold, to purge all compassion for any human I do not personally know & like. Then I got to know more people and found out, I didn't have to work hard at all, most aren't worth caring about.

Cyclists I find to be the second lowest form of human just above the maggots and leaches who live off tax payer's money. They should not be allowed to ride their toys on the streets.

So Boerd said
Because the damage to the car is negligible, there should be no such laws.

Tell that to this driver. Quit being naive.

Revans Exile said
Cyclists I find to be the second lowest form of human just above the maggots and leaches who live off tax payer's money. They should not be allowed to ride their toys on the streets.

Care to explain how you have come to this conclusion?

I could but I don't have the time at the moment plus I just don't feel like it.

I know it's changing the subject a bit, but I know what you mean about bikers/non-drivers using the road dangerously. Where I live, there's a severe problem with skateboarders. They go without pads and helmets, they go above the speed limit, and they do it in the middle of the road, and even into the other lane. Plus, there's lots of blind corners. A couple of times they've even jumped off and had their skateboards hit our cars. I honestly think people are getting too relaxed on the roads. Roads are mediums for transportation, to get from point A to point B, not to leisure around.

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So Boerd said
Because the damage to the car is negligible, there should be no such laws. Your physical safety is your business. If you want to take needless risks, that is on you.

There are laws especially for that reason. There are laws for it so that people's families cannot sue the true victim of the idiot who got himself killed. It's like there are laws in Hawaii (and I am severely hoping elsewhere too) that prevent people from suing lifeguards for failing to save a persons life.

Honestly, it all comes down to America is too willing to sue.ax

And why shouldn't we be litigious? We have been taught that if we feel wronged, that society is working against us, to grab the force of government and go plunder. That is what these lawsuits are. Government using force where no force is needed

Revans Exile said Riding bikes at night while wearing dark clothes and no reflectors on the bike, they are morons. The morons being under 18 makes the parents financially liable for their stupidity that damaged the driver's car.

It was one poor choice, one with a fatal consequence. That doesn't instantly make them morons.

And the charge taking place has nothing to do with damage of the car, the driver is sueing for mental damage and harrasment.

From a logical sense I agree with your thinking for the financial liability, but that's not the charge this topic/article is about.

Making claims the parents are spreading rumors about her, but these claims have nothing to back it up.
Also forgetting the fact that when your face is on the news for the death of teenage boys may it be an accident or not, you will get harassed by the public for it. Even if say the parents sided with the driver, it would still happen. That's the charge being discussed, and that's the charge she has nothing to stand on.

So Boerd said Because the damage to the car is negligible, there should be no such laws. Your physical safety is your business. If you want to take needless risks, that is on you.

Tell that to my friend who was hit by a car walking to school, dented the car and them just got up and just kept heading towards school. :P

Revans Exile said I worked very hard to be cold, to purge all compassion for any human I do not personally know & like. Then I got to know more people and found out, I didn't have to work hard at all, most aren't worth caring about.Cyclists I find to be the second lowest form of human just above the maggots and leaches who live off tax payer's money. They should not be allowed to ride their toys on the streets.Tell that to driver. Quit being naive.

I can respect becoming cold/logical, emotion does constantly cloud judgement and it's good to stay absent of it when it's only clouding your judging on a particular situation.

I can also relate to no compassion to those you don't know, it is important to note though that even those people who know and chose you do like were once strangers. It can help to at least have a neutral approach with them and then choose who to react to them depending on how they act/behave afterwards. To each their own though, I've dealt with enough shitty people myself to understand and accept someone's stance of simply not caring for other people they don't already know.

Though I am curious as to what makes you think that cyclists are so low? I mean bike riding is really just a hobby/pass time for some people, and a mean of transit for others like driving is. Is it something with cycling itself you despise or a common characteristic you noticed among people who bike?

Magic Magnum said
a common characteristic you noticed among people who bike?

Every cyclist I have ever met on the road acts like they own every inch of the road & that they can disobey the laws, rules, & common decency of the road. In short they are ill-mannered assholes who deserve to get hit by cars.

My first encounter the cyclist was in the middle of the lane doing about 15 mph where the speed limit was 35 mph. My dad had his turn signal on when the ass looked back. My dad tried to pass the jackass intentionally changed lanes forcing my dad to either hit him or run off the road. The car was totaled and the piece of shit started laughing.

Read in the news the next day the dill hole pissed off the wrong guy pulling some kind of shit, he didn't live to see the next day.

Hobby riders who ride in parks are fine. They are decent people.

Those people are just assholes, like assholes who should be criminally charged when they pull shit like that one did with your dad.

Though thankfully a lot of bike riders (at least in my area) aren't like that.

Revans Exile said
Every cyclist I have ever met on the road acts like they own every inch of the road & that they can disobey the laws, rules, & common decency of the road. In short they are ill-mannered assholes who deserve to get hit by cars.My first encounter the cyclist was in the middle of the lane doing about 15 mph where the speed limit was 35 mph. My dad had his turn signal on when the ass looked back. My dad tried to pass the jackass intentionally changed lanes forcing my dad to either hit him or run off the road. The car was totaled and the piece of shit started laughing.Read in the news the next day the dill hole pissed off the wrong guy pulling some kind of shit, he didn't live to see the next day.Hobby riders who ride in parks are fine. They are decent people.

Sorry, but that "Every cyclist I have ever met..." is bullshit. I'd be willing to bet that they are the minority of the cyclists you've encountered. They're just that fucking terrible that they wash your opinion of everyone else. Trust me, I've been there as a cyclist myself.

Course, many, many drivers are entitled idiots, who don't know the rules of the road, or make their own shit up as it suits them. Had one asshole yelling at me because I took the lane in the city. Sad part was, I was out-accelerating the car in the lane beside me; I was not holding up traffic in any way, shape or form. But because I was a cyclist, (who has the right to take the lane where I am), I had to be slowing him down, regardless of the facts.

I will never deny that there is a section of cyclists who do ignore the rules of the road, and are fucking idiots who do deserve it when they "get hit" for being utter arrogant assholes. I take offense however when blanket statements get thrown about. Yes, I have broken a few rules of the road when riding myself; treating stop signs as yield signs and red lights as stop signs, however only in the dead of night when there is no traffic (And red light only because they can never detect a bicycle it seems).

Goldmarble said
Sorry, but that "Every cyclist I have ever met..." is bullshit.

You are entitled to your opinion but don't know what I have experienced so your statement is bullshit.

Revans Exile said I worked very hard to be cold, to purge all compassion for any human I do not personally know & like. Then I got to know more people and found out, I didn't have to work hard at all, most aren't worth caring about.

Funny, I tend to be the opposite. I don't have most of my empathy and sympathy and seek it out where I can, ruling by logic to stay comprehensible sane while trying to balance that against being too cold.

As for your hatred of cyclists, that isn't cold or logical: That's pathos, emotional appeal. A cyclist who is hit by a vehicle after being a dimwitted moron who didn't obey basic safety and traffic laws doesn't deserve my sympathy, I agree, they tested Darwinism for no reason and ended up splattered on the pavement. (Also: Common sense--don't fucking challenge the driver of the eight ton SUV powered by fire to a contest against your piddly dink bicycle. Even if you're in the right, logically speaking, if they don't care, they'll mow your ass down.)

However, the acts of a few moronic cyclists does not mean that all cyclists are the same. I ride a bicycle. I obey traffic laws. I'm not a dimwitted moron. Your brushing them all with the same stroke is by no means a logical conclusion: You hate cyclists. That's not cold.

However, your statement of "they wore no safety equipment and broke basic common sense and traffic laws, ergo, deserve to die" is cold. There's still logic in that statement: They failed to obey common safety procedures that would have saved their lives, for no reason. The fact that they're children is irrelevant to the logic of that statement, but does contribute to it being cold, as it lacks empathy.

Just figured I'd try and help you out here, since you seek to be as cold as you can be.

I didn't care to get nearly as detailed as Brovo did in that regard but he's right.

A lot of bicyclists aren't the way you describe, what's happening here is stereotyping.

@Brovo, I am also malicious, malcontent, spiteful, and vindictive.

Magic Magnum said what's happening here is stereotyping.

Of course. There is nothing wrong with stereotyping or profiling.