AreYouMyMummy said
Um.. I wasn't discussing politics at all. D:

Magic Magnum said
Oh Helloooooo fellow Whovian!I really need to watch more of Tom Baker...Once I'm done Carl Sagan's Cosmos. :PAny who this does fit better in Spam.But at the same time it's an understandable mistake, Off-Topic is really more a place for serious discussions but nothing in it's title gives it away.AnyWHO... Who want's fish sticks and custard? :D

Magic Magnum said
Oh Helloooooo fellow Whovian!I really need to watch more of Tom Baker...Once I'm done Carl Sagan's Cosmos. :PAny who this does fit better in Spam.But at the same time it's an understandable mistake, Off-Topic is really more a place for serious discussions but nothing in it's title gives it away.AnyWHO... Who want's fish sticks and custard? :D

Blitzkrieg said You would be one of these people.

AreYouMyMummy said I BLOODY LOVE YOU!

ShonHarris said
So I watched all but Name of the Doctor and there after, took a break, and my fiancé got into Who. We watched the 2005- series and she was hooked, had to stream Time of the Doctor, and now I'm waiting to see 13 in action. In watching so much of this show, I have to admit, I am seriously disappointed we don't see more Jack Harkness, Ricky, or Martha returns. They all work/ed for Torchwood or UNIT in some form, and I really think they should become regular additions whenever the groups come into play. I understand they don't want to overplay those organizations since they were so intertwined earlier in the show, but really, please? Also, was Torchwood actually cancelled? I really fell in love with the gritty, dark sci-fi perspective of the Whoverse and would be surprised if it was considering shows like Sleep Hollow, CSI, Hannibal, and soon to be Constantine are up and around.

Magic Magnum said
I need to get back into Torchwood at some point... :/Captain Jack was my favourite Doctor Who character period though, even more than any of the doctors. So I would LOVE to see him come back in the TV series.As for why Torchwood would be canceled but shitty shows stay... People tend to have horrid tastes, plus Torchwood was a bit disadvantaged in that it was a show that depended largely on you knowing and liking a different show.

ShonHarris said
So I watched all but Name of the Doctor and there after, took a break, and my fiancé got into Who. We watched the 2005- series and she was hooked, had to stream Time of the Doctor, and now I'm waiting to see 13 in action. In watching so much of this show, I have to admit, I am seriously disappointed we don't see more Jack Harkness, Ricky, or Martha returns. They all work/ed for Torchwood or UNIT in some form, and I really think they should become regular additions whenever the groups come into play. I understand they don't want to overplay those organizations since they were so intertwined earlier in the show, but really, please? Also, was Torchwood actually cancelled? I really fell in love with the gritty, dark sci-fi perspective of the Whoverse and would be surprised if it was considering shows like Sleep Hollow, CSI, Hannibal, and soon to be Constantine are up and around.

The Fourth Doctor said All Time Lords have to come to terms with the end of their regeneration cycle eventually. It's something we all have to deal with. Any Time Lord who cheats death by obtaining more regenerations is a coward.

ShonHarris said I do like some of those other shows, my point was really that they use similar elements, except Torchwood imagines them so differently it should be more popular. I hear you about Jack. We love of too, for his confidence, character, and his being an openly Queer character who isn't portrayed to some stereotypical mess. Wouldn't put him higher than Doctor 10 or X in my book, both my favourites, but he's definitely high up. I just see them introducing characters and, while I agree they should live and go on past them, it's only been a few years in the base-timeline and our friends are probably out there somewhere. Just imagine the power couple Martha & Ricky jumping in to aid Clara when the Doctor's otherwise occupied. Beautiful thing, right?

Kaga said At which point I was pretty much yelling at my TV, "DOCTOR PLEASE STOP TALKING".But yeah, plenty of interesting stuff happens in Classic Who. That's what I've been watching to constantly supply myself with a Doctor Who fix until the new season starts in September.

Magic Magnum said
Captain Jack just has a general charm and personality I love. Him being a openly but not stereotypical queer character (which makes him one of the characters leading the industry of character design forward) is just a bonus. :PBut yea, I find it odd how after a regeneration the doctor often has to completely abandon old friends.I get why from a writing stand point, but logically he's still the doctor. He still knows and cares for those people, they are still able to interact and do shit together.Hell David Tenant and Sarah Jane are a giant proof of that. Sarah was a companion back with Tom Baker which was 6 regeneration's ago and they still hit off fine.To be fair he's had about 1,000 years since then to reflect on that stance. At the same time his personality change's each regeneration, his general philosophy and friendships are the same, but personality and some outlooks change. And lastly, he wasn't even the one who chose to get the extra regeneration but had to given/forced on him when Clara asked the other time lords for aid.

Magic Magnum said
But yea, I find it odd how after a regeneration the doctor often has to completely abandon old friends.I get why from a writing stand point, but logically he's still the doctor. He still knows and cares for those people, they are still able to interact and do shit together.Hell David Tenant and Sarah Jane are a giant proof of that. Sarah was a companion back with Tom Baker which was 6 regeneration's ago and they still hit off fine.

To be fair he's had about 1,000 years since then to reflect on that stance. At the same time his personality change's each regeneration, his general philosophy and friendships are the same, but personality and some outlooks change. And lastly, he wasn't even the one who chose to get the extra regeneration but had to given/forced on him when Clara asked the other time lords for aid.

AreYouMyMummy said Am I the only one who doesn't like Clara?

Kaga said Well to be fair, most companions are given a good reason for leaving and not returning, ie getting trapped in another dimension, losing their memory, getting attacked by weeping angels, etc...Logically I understand that, but the irony of it still kills me.Plus, I don't care if Eleven didn't personally seek out those extra regenerations, he still wasn't too happy to die and he sure was thrilled when more came pouring in.

Darog the Badger God said I'm glad Matt Smith is not the doctor. Bring on Peter Capaldi.

Magic Magnum said
Granted that does explain Rose, Amy and Donna.But I'm thinking about Mickey, Jack, Martha. They were still around, hell they were all still pretty involved in the whole field of aliens and time but the the switch of David Tenant to Matt Smith still felt the need for one last goodbye as if after the regeneration he couldn't see them again.I'd include Sarah Jane, but there's an episode in her own series where Matt Smith shows up, so obviously he's still able to run into her.

Kaga said
Eh, I guess Mickey and Martha just weren't as popular. Though you're right that there isn't much of an excuse for Jack. Although, I did hear an amusing theory that the reason why Jack wasn't around at all during Matt Smith's run is because Moffat can't kill him. Hopefully he'll show up during Capaldi's run. I really have no basis for this theory; it's just a hope.