[OOC] Pokémon: Start

[PlatinumSkink]

@Pirouette Teh-heh. ”Thrown to the Houndooms”... Any case. Reactions made, connections created, questions answered. Nicely posted.

@Lasrever *snicker* Both of them on the floor. That was kind of hilarious. … And for beating a Rhyperior, Winston's totally the right typing. Haha.

And yupp, that's a reason to start at Route 1. We'll see what awaits. Kalmia will more properly explain what's up with the Routes in my post. Nicely posted.

So, @Keyblade87 and @Delta44, how's it going? I didn't really intend the last post to get a full row of posts and get further rather quickly, but guess that didn't happen. The option to just tell me to post the next post still exists. Haha.

Edit: Oh, look. I have as many posts as I have days. It looks so perfect. I am proud. Hahaha. ... [/pointless commentary]

[Delta44]

@PlatinumSkink I mean the only noteworthy thing Ren would do is scan the Rhyperior, I think :P Though she'll want a word with Jacques and Prof. Kalmia after the first Pokemon battle ;)

TL;DR: Post away!

[PlatinumSkink]

@Delta44 Got it! Thank you!

Then all we're waiting for is Keyblade87. He said he was on it, so I'll assume that we can expect that quite soon.

Edit: ... And now I broke my perfect balance of posts VS days. ... ... ... OH, WELL! XD

[PlatinumSkink]

@PlatinumSkink I am maybe a blind, but which towns the gyms are? I think that either Highhill or Lakewatch have the first one thought.

@Pink Madness

I FORGOT TO ANSWER!

I read your question, then turned to read IC posts because I was to react to those too, THEN I FORGOT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION! MY APOLOGIES!

So. There's a Gym in ALL towns. If you might notice, there is a grand total of nineteen city-spots, the only one without a Gym being the Pokémon League. There are two leagues. Minor and Major league, each which has nine badges associated to it. You only need eight, meaning you can skip one leader if you wish. So, any town you are in, feel free to check the local Gym. However, I will not state what type the Gym specializes in or what League each town Gym is before you get there or someone tells you. That's about it. Haha.

I DO kind of have an order in which I could recommend you to get the badges, buuuuut... The Gyms have no number. It makes no sense for them to be numbered. Therefore, I'll let you find out the strength of each Gym on your own! XD

Edit: ... Key hasn't been online for two days. If he isn't here this time tomorrow, I will post the next post regardless. If shows up and tells me to wait a little, I will. I believe that works.

[PlatinumSkink]

Also, question that just hit me now, how are mega evolutions going to be handled? Or are we just saying there are no mega stones on Isson?

@Pyromaniacwolf

AND I FORGOT ANOTHER QUESTION!

And the answer to that is... frankly... I dislike Mega Evolutions. I may use them in some form or another to up the drama, but don't count on them being heavily featured, in the slightest.

... DID I FORGET ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ... If so, yell at me. XD

[Delta44]

I DO kind of have an order in which I could recommend you to get the badges, buuuuut... The Gyms have no number. It makes no sense for them to be numbered. Therefore, I'll let you find out the strength of each Gym on your own! XD

@PlatinumSkink

Just a quick thing: the gyms in Pokemon Origins all seem to have this thing going where anyone of any skill level can challenge a gym, because they have Pokemon fitting for all levels. Not to mention in the games a gym leader will never have more than three pokemon :P Just a thought, since there may be someone who decides to travel all the way to the North for fun XD

[PlatinumSkink]

@Delta44 (wow, I returned just in time to comment, I have best timing)

... And that makes no sense to me. The Gym Badges are trophies that show that you are worthy of challenging the Pokémon League. You don't SCALE BACK a challenge in order to be nice to weaker trainers, do you? One cannot intentionally carry a team of low-level Pokémon in order to get an easier battle at the Gym, that's not how challenges work. It is for this reason that I'm implemented this Minor and Major League thing, so you have something to challenge while still building your strength.

As for the three Pokémon thing, I'll explain that with that they were three-Pokémon battles, and hence the challenger should only be able to use three Pokémon as well. That's to ensure battles don't last forever, things get so chaotic when its full 6v6, I'll probably not do full 6v6 battles very often, either. Though, I will be considerably tougher with the Gym Battles in this than the games are. But don't worry, there are Minor League gyms in the North as well. You need to travel the entire continent for both Leagues. I totally welcome any who'd want to travel north early for fun. Teh-heh.

[Delta44]

@PlatinumSkink No, of course not :P I'm saying those without badges are given the easier Pokemon in a gym leader's team. You scale up by badge, not by Pokemon :D You did say that trainers all over Isson would be departing on their journey, in which case it makes absolutely no sense for a beginner trainer to go up against the eighth gym leader and get wiped; I don't think that's reasonable. Also, trainers who start off with impossibly powerful Pokemon (by some stroke of luck) would just annihilate the weaker gyms, which also doesn't make sense.

I just imagined a gym leader would use a team capable of taking on any skill level, that's all :3 For example, say you're a grass gym leader. You'd have a first evolution in the 10's, perhaps another almost at level 20, another at about 27, the fourth at level 30 something, the fifth at level 40 and then the last one at level 40-50.

That way, you could take on both beginner and late blooming trainers, rather than getting your ass handed to you by level 40s XD

Of course in the Minor league they'd be weaker than the leaders in the major league, but nonetheless I imagine both would try to scale for the sake of fairness :P

As for your second point, I agree wholeheartedly ^-^ Just saying I don't want to accidentally challenge the eighth gym and get one-shotted XD

[PlatinumSkink]

@Delta44 I did say that the Gyms do not really have numbers. I do have the intention that you can challenge them in whatever order you like, but I also prefer to think of the Gym Leaders as set challenges to overcome rather than it adapting to the level of skill that the challenger is currently at. Because, as long as the challenges isn't set, there will be ways to abuse the system and reason that "if I take this Gym, which I believe to be harder, at an earlier time I will not have to face the stronger Pokémon that I'd face if I dealt with it later"... I want to avoid such reasoning. There's not really an "eight Gym Leader" that is significantly stronger and meant to be challenged last, like in the games. Some might naturally be a bit more challenging, but...

In any case. I will be reasonable. The Minor Gym Leaders will be within your reach, no matter which order you challenge them, and the same will eventually go for the Major Gym Leaders. Just trust me, I am confident that this will go nicely. There are some things that would be impossible with game-logic that works really well by just spicing it up some roleplaying-logic instead. Haha.

[Delta44]

@PlatinumSkink Alright, got'cha, was just wondering how you were handling it ^-^ Thanks for clarity! :D

[Rune_Alchemist]

Gotta, be honest, the way Origins handles the gyms I've always thought was the best way to handle them because no matter the gym you get a battle appropriate for your level...well, unless you grind all your pokemon to level like, fifty but that's probably not going to happen.

But that also is a thing with the 'set gym leaders'. (I think its also easier to abuse that way.) If it's a set thing, then someone can just grind their pokemon to level fifty and just completely crush a gym without any skill whatsoever.

But eh, whatever you think is best, mighty GM xD

to be honest though, the not being able to use all six of your pokemon for a thing is kind of a major turn off...but eh. I'll deal.

[Pirouette]

Gotta, be honest, the way Origins handles the gyms I've always thought was the best way to handle them because no matter the gym you get a battle appropriate for your level...well, unless you grind all your pokemon to level like, fifty but that's probably not going to happen.

But that also is a thing with the 'set gym leaders'. (I think its also easier to abuse that way.) If it's a set thing, then someone can just grind their pokemon to level fifty and just completely crush a gym without any skill whatsoever.

But eh, whatever you think is best, mighty GM xD

to be honest though, the not being able to use all six of your pokemon for a thing is kind of a major turn off...but eh. I'll deal.

@Rune_Alchemist

Gotta side with the GM here in terms of the gyms. Leaving it ambiguous as to just how tough the gyms are, it prevents the notion of "grinding" just before taking on a gym in order to reach a certain level. It doesn't sound as organic and real if you put digits to it. Now this does go back to why our Pokemon have levels but that is to keep track of their relative power and movelists and such. Other trainers and gyms don't necessarily have to have that because the GM will probably cater to the narrative, like if a trainer we encounter is really good, we might have difficulty or lose. Which is fine because that stuff happens, ya know. Regardless, I'm sure the GM has in mind the relative strengths of the gyms so I imagine it will be consistent like if you face a gym in Cooldome and lose horribly and if someone else comes with a relatively same level, they will likely lose in the same manner. But come back later and face the gym, you'll find that you've done a lot better but you may or may not still be ready for that gym. That's super organic as I doubt everyone would know every other pokemon's level.

Also 3 Pokemon is sleek and probably easier to think of a lineup and potential substitutes for the gyms. Also I think in competitive Pokemon, there has been several instances of using only 3.

Also, totally not picking on you @Rune_Alchemist, just using your lines as an outline.

[Rune_Alchemist]

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Gotta side with the GM here in terms of the gyms. Leaving it ambiguous as to just how tough the gyms are, it prevents the notion of "grinding" just before taking on a gym in order to reach a certain level. It doesn't sound as organic and real if you put digits to it. Now this does go back to why our Pokemon have levels but that is to keep track of their relative power and movelists and such. Other trainers and gyms don't necessarily have to have that because the GM will probably cater to the narrative, like if a trainer we encounter is really good, we might have difficulty or lose. Which is fine because that stuff happens, ya know. Regardless, I'm sure the GM has in mind the relative strengths of the gyms so I imagine it will be consistent like if you face a gym in Cooldome and lose horribly and if someone else comes with a relatively same level, they will likely lose in the same manner. But come back later and face the gym, you'll find that you've done a lot better but you may or may not still be ready for that gym. That's super organic as I doubt everyone would know every other pokemon's level.

@Pirouette

Still doesn't stop someone from getting a full team of six fully evolved pokemon before challenging a single gym leader. If I may use a Dark Souls/Bloodborne example here...you fight the boss, you repeatedly get your ass handed to you. So you get pissed, go and level some. Then you come back and completely crush the boss because you're an over leveled scrub that can one-shot most people. The victory is completely hollow.

Using the origins method, it doesn't deter trainers from fighting the gym. It gives them a good challenge to test their skills against, whilst still being attainable if they lose and gives them less incentive to do the above.

Set lists and levels doesn't do that. The only way it's like that in the games is because of the story.

But well, that's just my opinion and as I said, the might GM can do what he wants xD

EDIT: IT also means a trainer could research the gym leaders pokemon and then just build a team designed to perfectly counter them.

Also 3 Pokemon is sleek and probably easier to think of a lineup and potential substitutes for the gyms. Also I think in competitive Pokemon, there has been several instances of using only 3.

@Pirouette

As someone who absolutely hates competitive pokemon, I can't comment on that because competitive pokemon is broken as fuck xD

As someone who also GM'ed a few pokemon RP's before, we never had a Gym leader had a full team of six - five was the most they could have as per League Rules. We also had a thing to where one pokemon battle = one collab. Meaning let's say...Onix Vs Wartortle would have been on post. Granted the RP never got far because it was a private RP and my friends are a bunch of lazy noncommittal fucks.

But well, I will say the main reason this kinda upsets me, as I was planing on Claire's final team consisting of six pokemon that worked well together rather than alone. gonna have to make me change some things that I envisioned for Claire.

Which kinda is a mood killer as I will likely have to change her character a bit.

The 3v3 just also sort of...doesn't really fit in with the spirit of pokemon in my opinion, but eh.

Also, totally not picking on you @Rune_Alchemist, just using your lines as an outline.

@Pirouette

aahaha, it's fine xD
Didn't think you were at all.

[PlatinumSkink]

@Rune_Alchemist Did I ever say that- oh, I see, I did. Well, the reason behind that is that it'd take so long to roleplay. But, there's without a doubt going to be 6v6 Pokémon Battles. It's just if the trainers themselves decide to do follow other rules that things change. The most significant battles will definitely be 6v6. And, of course, if you ever happen to end up fighting people outside the law... then rules won't apply anymore regardless in those fights. XD

The important thing I have to say is, well, if you use six Pokémon, then you can bet the opponent will, too. The Pokémon League battles in particular DEFINITELY will be 6v6. It's just that, if you want to fight a random utterly nameless unremarkable trainer on the road, is there REALLY a point in making those full 6v6es? 2v2 or maybe even 1v1 will do, really! XD

And if you overgrind and completely crush a Gym Leader, that just means you're qualified for the badge. It isn't as if it should be HARDER for you to get the badge just because you're more experienced. That's no way to qualify for a Pokémon League. But, yeah, if you're strong enough... Maybe the Leaders will want to challenge you with their real and competitive, not-limited-to-a-single-type team rather than their Gym team? Haha.

IT also means a trainer could research the gym leaders pokemon and then just build a team designed to perfectly counter them.

@Rune_Alchemist

Oh, and that... is the point. XD

I don't see why all the gyms have to be type-specific, otherwise. Adapt your team so it defeats the newest threats. This also allows the Gym Leaders to be a little stronger than otherwise, because of definite weaknesses trainers can exploit. Haha. Oh, well. Let's get this on the road and see what happens, ey? I see Keyblade online.

[Rune_Alchemist]

xD

Well, that's a bit better for me. Though, I'm still not too sure about the gym stuff.

Completely crushing someone in a battle is no fun, regardless whether you're 'qualified' or not. You don't learn anything as a trainer from completely one-shotting and crushing everyone with a full team of six fully evolved pokemon. You miss out on the particular strategies and the usage of more subtle pokemon moves instead of just hyperbeaming/oneshotting everything to oblivion.

At least, I think that's what gyms should be more or less about. A good challenge, so the trainer has a chance to learn and grow as a person. If I was a gym leader, I'd refuse to give someone a badge that did that, league rules be dammed xD

And I mean, obviously they don't have to be type speicfic. I was just saying that it would encourage a trainer to build a team specifically designed to battle that leader if they knew what their pokemon were. Say a gym leader had a Bisharp, that trainer could go out and just get a fighting type to counter it, beat the gym leader and never use the fighting type again. Which, in my opinion is just...well, makes you a bad person xD

But well, I dunno, I've never really been one to capture and use pokemon for their types and weaknesses and I guess that's just bleeding over onto here a bit. I normally just capture a team of six, maybe seven or eight pokemon and use them throughout the games...I dunno, I never was really big into catching them all.

[PlatinumSkink]

@Rune_Alchemist Well. Um. That thing that you say make you a bad person. I'm like "Ain't that how you usually are supposed to beat Gym Leaders? I typically don't and just use my own team because that feels better, but the games almost always supply the means to get a new Pokémon that can beat the current Gym somewhere nearby". Anyways, yeah.

Anyways. I like it like this. But upon requests, I can surely tailor the individual journeys as well. I mean, if you WANT me to scale up a Gym Leader's Pokémon if you find that they'd normally be no match... Then heck, they're all experienced Pokémon Trainers, them having strong teams ain't farfetch'd! ... I can't believe I just made did that. Oh, well.

Oh, and no matter how strong you get... The Major League Gym Battles will likely always be a challenge. You might blow the Minor League battles away if you get strong enough, but then they'll just recommend you go Major instead. See, if you can blow away a Minor League Gym Leader, you're likely on the wrong level anyway! XD

@Keyblade87 So, how's life? I see you've been online, if you hadn't I would have posted already. How's it hanging?

[Rune_Alchemist]

I mean, that's fine and all I've just never done that since well, it seems a little...upsetting to me to go off and catch a bunch of pokemon that will just sit around in your PC box or wherever they usually go in this setting. I'd never capture another pokemon just for the sake of beating a Gym Leader without the intent to make it a permanent part of my team.

Claire wouldn't either, hence the whole kind of problem with her probably not capturing a lot of Pokemon...which I'll deal with when the time comes if it becomes an issue, but eh.

anyways, that's enough of that. Just useless opinion throwing at the moment~ xD

[Pirouette]

I mean, that's fine and all I've just never done that since well, it seems a little...upsetting to me to go off and catch a bunch of pokemon that will just sit around in your PC box or wherever they usually go in this setting. I'd never capture another pokemon just for the sake of beating a Gym Leader without the intent to make it a permanent part of my team.

Claire wouldn't either, hence the whole kind of problem with her probably not capturing a lot of Pokemon...which I'll deal with when the time comes if it becomes an issue, but eh.

anyways, that's enough of that. Just useless opinion throwing at the moment~ xD

@Rune_Alchemist

I always imagined it that the Pokemon Professor takes care of your extra Pokemon. Letting them out and all that. I do like the idea of having a small, intimate team but the idea of a few extras to round out your team doesn't seem that heartless. Especially if you are willing to sub out some from your main six to let second stringers out for fresh air.

[Pikmin Eye]

If we are talking about the game. I would be Gary Oak. Is this Pokemon weaker than another? Release that useless trash and trade up. Opponent uses a psychic type? Grab type advantage and crush them. Opponent too hard? Power level until the difficulty curve of the game is a gentle hill I can go to sleep and still win. There is a major difference between the game and say, a role play. We are not Gary Oak, okay maybe one of us could have said they were. Still, it's not exactly fair to compare this to the game.

Can we do things more efficiently and crush our opponents under out team of 6 LV 100s? Absolutely, but no one here is going to do that. Just because someone could, I doubt anyone IC is going to sit there and say "train my Pokemon until I can crush boulders by looking at them". I mean, getting a Pokemon for type advantage is a good idea if a certain Pokemon is crushing you. I could fight with a team of Magikarp cause it's good role play. I would get crushed all day long, and realize I might want to change my team a bit.

Wow, I am back and forth on this as well... I shall have to consider the options, but a Gym isn't some place that scales it's power cause you asked for easy mode. It is a wall, you either get over it, or you find out how much you like getting punched in the face. If you are able to one shot it, maybe move onto the major leagues. Just some thoughts on this. Since, you know, it exploded pretty quickly.

[Keyblade87]

Hey guys sorry computer crapped on me so I'll be posting from my phone for a while I'll try and get a post up on my lunch break.