Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[SleepingSilence]

@ErsatzEmperor It wasn't a -point-. It was just pure sarcastic conjecture. It had nothing there. How can you not dismiss it outright? I defy you to make that statement any more hollow and pointless. *the sentence penny wrote, not your statement*

[Andreyich]

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Going to be frank. Aside from the very few times I discussed with VillageIdiot.

I've literally NEVER seen a political disagreement, on this forum, that didn't have "witty" lulz or ad-hominems attacks.

Isn't that literally what every single conversation that's every occurred politically on this site, period? Let alone this entire thread. And ignoring whoever created this thread, the fact this hasn't been locked and/or nobody has been punished for past or present behavior on here. Is absolutely appalling...

@SleepingSilence

Gottem

[SleepingSilence]

@Andreyich You 'mr.middle finger' included. People shouldn't be "baiters" or "trolls" if they get emotionally invested/charged.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity is one of the very few whose managed to not break a forum rule, while discussing politics and has always been respectable and concise.

...and until I got attacked by every tosspot that existed on here. I was too. Now, I just don't care how I come off.

[Andreyich]

Oh please do you really want to start bitching about that now? If you want we can REALLY go down there again.

[SleepingSilence]

@Andreyich You did message me first afterall. What else can we talk about? If we had a conversation? It was absolutely a one-sided altercation, I didn't say anything rude or personal to you that I recall. And you weren't punished despite breaking the rules and I didn't get an apology...(not even an insincere one.)

So it's not exactly water under the bridge. :P

I've also yet to see you talk to anyone outside of politics in a friendly manner...

Not meant for you.

Unlike me and I have several instances of civility outside the political realm, even to those who treat me shitty on a consistent basis. So the next inevitable/smartass comment bitching me out is getting an earful of "you're beyond disingenuous, fuck right off."

[Spoopy Scary]

I just don't get why so many people here are so angry and rude. Take a long look at yourselves, dudes.

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Let's apply that same standard to the Trump campaign. What's your definitive conclusion there?

Remember, Manafort, the Trump guy they're needling for foreign involvement, is currently indicted for activities he undertook on behalf of the Ukraine, during his time with Podesta Group -- Podesta, as in Hillary's campaign manager.

EDIT: as an aside, everything I just linked is a matter of record. Some of it, like Uranium One, we're still waiting o more info, but the part of the story we've got on record so far is very damning. You should definitely look into these things on your own time. I haven't even touched the conspiracy theories, credible (Seth Rich) or otherwise (comet ping pong)

@mdk

The conclusion, as said on page 186, is that one of his officials has a solid, tangible link to Russian influence on the election via confession. I never claimed anything else. That has dire implications, yes, but I never suggested anything else.

The Podesta point is interesting. I'm reading into it, and admittedly, there's not a whole lot that I understand about the subject. What I do know, though, is that Podesta as a whole is not Hillary's campaign manager. John Podesta is, and he is one of its two founders along with his brother, Anthony. Beyond that, I don't know how linked the two are. I don't know if there is enough information available yet to figure out if the work Manafort did was truly on behalf of Podesta Group, or if Manafort was doing a side-project of his own as he got into contact with Ukraine officials through Podesta - and only God knows how many other variables in the situation in which I am honestly not qualified to talk about. Only thing I can say is that, yes, there's a web of interconnected individuals involved. As politicians, it's expected that they have some foreign ties as they talk business and politics with foreign powers. As for how many of them were able to keep them separated from our election and domestic politics is, I think, the real question.

TL;DR, Jesus-fucking-Christ, I don't know. Things get complicated when you have an establishment candidate and a corporate gangster try to compete with each other. There are too many opinions in the news to get a sense of what's up and what's down.

No comment of a mass shooting going on at a Texas church here? Nothing on how November 4th was forced to fizzle or Senator Rand Paul being assaulted by violent leftist neighbor, and not even a word of all the Saudi princes who got pinched on corruption charges, to include one who was notorious for taunting President Donald Trump and being the subject of terrorism investigations there? Color me unsurprised.

Regardless, time to focus on what is known in addition to initial information gathered.

The situation that occurred in Sutherland Springs, Texas was a shooter, in all black and tactical equipment, who barged into a church this Sunday some time after eleven in the morning and killed 27 of the congregation. The attacker, identified as David Patrick Kelley was a dishonorably discharged member from the United States Air Force, found guilty of assaulting his wife and his child in court martial, barred from owning or purchasing firearms, demoted to the rank of Airman Basic, and had served a year in confinement.

Currently, the motive is unclear but intelligence gathered suggests it was ideological, potentially political as well; his Facebook had ties to many athiest groups and a few "RESIST" movements as well as the following statement by a group called "TOGETHER WE RISE", which Kelley was a part of:

Group Page Information

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The weapon used, according to information as it is now, was an AR-15 style Ruger rifle, which had been customized by the attacker (perhaps to more closely resemble the M4 rifle used by the Air Force). However, the active shooter was interrupted and forced to flee - potentially suffering a mortal injury in the process - when a neighbor to the church heard the shooting and retrieved his own rifle and fired upon him. The armed citizen then harassed and forced Kelley to flee by continued shooting.

Kelley is confirmed dead by law enforcement, but the investigation has escalated further, now into the hands of federal investigation.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Bro, it's alright. Some of us work. Some of us don't turn on the TV every day. Some of us prefer to listen to music as they drive. It's all OK. Not everyone knows the news as soon as it happens.

That said, I did hear about the Texas shooting today. Apparently he was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force for assaulting his wife and child, tried to bribe an under-aged girl into dating him... and he could still legally buy guns. I'm not sure what allowed that, honestly. Our laws, as I think they are stated now, should've prevented that from happening. But the enforcement of those laws may have been lacking. IDK. I'm too burned out of politics to really look it up and talk too much about it at the moment.

Only heard mention of the Saudi princes and Rand Paul's assault. Some people are just shitty? Don't know what to tell you, man.

[SleepingSilence]

I just don't get why so many people here are so angry and rude. Take a long look at yourselves, dudes.

@Spoopy Scary

Not responding at you or anything of the sort. Just my general explanation of the general statement.

Mine comes from countless months (close to a year maybe) of previous treatment, and growing quite tired of rewarding it with my respect. The last political thread was closed with good reason and it probably shouldn't exist here to begin with...

[Spoopy Scary]

Take a step back then. It won't do you any good to keep posting in the thread, and it won't look good on you if you only criticize some of the participants instead of talking about the subject. We don't want to become part of the problem, after all!

[Andreyich]

Excuse the fuck you? You didn't say anything that can be interpreted as bad boy behaviour in strictest terms but it's still awfully fucking annoying to be referred to as "mr. middle finger man," which surprises me that you hold such a long lite-grudge. I wasn't punished here because literally the only person to be punished here is ace of fucks because that was a person who's retardation was too far off the charts to be noticeable, but it was repeatedly said rules would be lax here. And, you want a fucking apology? For what, precisely? Sure, maybe just now I'll be saying nasty things but I flipped you off because you threw derogatory shit at me for wanting to keep the old land out of the horrid poverty it's in.

And, you haven't seen me talk to people outside of politics in a friendly manner? Well woop-de-fucking doo la or however they say it, that's because I haven't once interacted with you outside of such a setting you little shit. If what you were saying was even remotely true I wouldn't be in 3 RPs at once, and a cursory glance through your profile goes to show you don't spend time outside of spam threads where you don't have any proper interactions.

Oh, and lay off of the "lol I was super nice and kind and understanding until you bad boys corrupted me :(((" bullshit, it's fucking annoying. You weren't a paragon before you were triggered more than that bitch in the memes by fabricant who whilst I very often disagree with said literally naught wrong to you. And, you're not the only person here having "rational discussion," stop fucking lying cunt

[SleepingSilence]

Take a step back then. It won't do you any good to keep posting in the thread, and it won't look good on you if you only criticize some of the participants instead of talking about the subject. We don't want to become part of the problem, after all!

@Spoopy Scary

I'd agree with the sentiment that I'm gaining nothing positive from being around the thread, I really do. I had the same mindset that I didn't want to stoop to their level...but that was a moral argument that I can't justify if the rules are never followed/enforced.

My real life experiences has kind of showed ignoring a problem, only makes it thrive and get worse...If people are fighting, being nasty and directly insulting each other. And you've already done all you can reasonably do...you still -do- have to realize it's there. New people will see it...and I just can't let that go without knowing it has consequences if left to fester. But more selfishly, I just want to piss people off for my mere existence here, because it makes the shit they say about me ten times funnier.

I'll keep respecting and being kind to those that deserve it. And even those who treat me poorly, but it will no longer be unbreakable tolerance. I won't ignore those that mistreat others (or just me) for various reasons.

The problem is I have already covered nearly every subject repeated here months and months ago, and civil discussion was almost always a one sided jester on my part. Now people are just repeating themselves, because it isn't about discussion.

[NuttsnBolts]

But more selfishly, I just want to piss people off for my mere existence here, because it makes the shit they say about me ten times funnier.

@SleepingSilence

Adding a strikethrough around a sentence does not change the fact that you wrote such a sentence. It does not give you pardon from the rules and if you are actively trolling to obtain shits and giggles, then I will strongly recommend that you cease at once.

Aside from that comment and looking back through, I can see the discussion is slowly getting more and more heated, moving from a topic of politics to in a few cases outright slander and abuse against other members. This is to stop at once and the the topic will revert back to original political discussion. If it does not then I will be locking the thread in order to maintain a suitable level of peace and to prevent a reason for me to look for my ban hammer. It's very dusty at the moment and I like it that way.

[SleepingSilence]

@NuttsnBolts If I was that worried about it, would I have added it? But you can easily look through the back catalog and see how much "I bait" others who don't do anything to me...<.<

I don't. I really don't. Just to save you the trouble.

I said that because I've had the person of this thread, antagonize me several goddamn times for merely posting here...And that's not MY fault that it happens. It's patently ridiculous. It's not the only time I've had someone jump on my heels for my mere existence on a thread. Am I suppose to feel sorry for existing? Why shouldn't I be able to laugh at that?

Also the fact your telling ME this, is ironic in so many ways, I can't bare to count them. I mean that sincerely as possible.

But, no. I'm not a troll. Trolls don't tend to ever be civil. <.<

[NuttsnBolts]

@SleepingSilence
Last warning. Are you going to return to the topic of politics or do you want to continue your current choice of discussion?

If you have something you wish to report that violates the rules, this is not the correct channel to raise such an issue.

[POOHEAD189]

@SleepingSilence
Last warning. Are you going to return to the topic of politics or do you want to continue your current choice of discussion?

If you have something you wish to report that violates the rules, this is not the correct channel to raise such an issue.

@NuttsnBolts

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

Bro, it's alright. Some of us work. Some of us don't turn on the TV every day. Some of us prefer to listen to music as they drive. It's all OK. Not everyone knows the news as soon as it happens.

That said, I did hear about the Texas shooting today. Apparently he was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force for assaulting his wife and child, tried to bribe an under-aged girl into dating him... and he could still legally buy guns. I'm not sure what allowed that, honestly. Our laws, as I think they are stated now, should've prevented that from happening. But the enforcement of those laws may have been lacking. IDK. I'm too burned out of politics to really look it up and talk too much about it at the moment.

Only heard mention of the Saudi princes and Rand Paul's assault. Some people are just shitty? Don't know what to tell you, man.

My policy is to return this topic to a point of focus. Prodding a political discussion and debate to do just that. Hence why I come to expect controveries to be here when they happen; that and because it rubs the fur the wrong way on a few members when I can prove or advocate prior claims made, but more importantly... expose the truth. The lying mainstream media and news was more concerned with the President of the United States "incorrectly feeding koi fish" than a shooter who did not fit their narrative; going so far as to edit the clip of the two world leaders so it made their ideological opponent play the fool.

The apparent issue as to how he managed to purchase a weapon was due to the Air Force filing in error. Legally he should not have been allowed to own a firearm due to his conviction in court martial, not to include the punishment he received. The laws as they are now should have, but what almost assuredly caused the issue was that Kelley lied - most forms I have seen state if you have been found guilty of domestic abuse you cannot own a weapon outright on them and had to have received legal counsel prior to his mandated separation - and the bureaucratic Air Force made a now critical mistake in their handling of the paperwork.

Incompetency along the line and no penalty for administrative failure helped in enabling a disaster, as is typical of the government. The only positive of this particular component is that there will not be a question as to how it happened; a Mandalay Bay this is not.

As for Rand Paul, the man was assaulted by his neighbor for political extremist reasons and suffered several broken ribs. The reports even indicate the breaks could have had fatal consequences if they had been much worse. Worse still, this incident was played off as "minor injury". Hardly a meager thing.

The Saudi princes...? Well, more of that to come in due time. I needn't play my paw here and now.

[ErsatzEmperor]

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The lying mainstream media and news was more concerned with the President of the United States "incorrectly feeding koi fish" than a shooter who did not fit their narrative; going so far as to edit the clip of the two world leaders so it made their ideological opponent play the fool.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

As a leftist, I feel I must clarify my matched distaste for the news media's penchant for picking up on every minor social infraction and faux pas the man commits, as if in some way it is newsworthy or a fitting use of the soft power we're told they possess. Not only do these kinds of attack bolster Trump and his supporters' claims that the news media is peddling fake news, or that they carry a bias against the right (which, don't get me wrong, I don't like bias on either side, I just believe that the majority of television news outfits prioritise their bias towards sensationalism, laziness and faux-consensus over any right-left divide; Bernie Sanders and my own country's Jeremy Corbyn have been subject to similar tactics in the past), but they also end up desensitising the audience to very real criticisms that will continue to be levied against the man.

Their audience should not equate one with the other; it leaves their opponents with ammunition and their supporters' viewpoints diluted. Perhaps an earthquake-style rating system is in order. The country is on Amber alert. President Donald Trump, as you can see in this picture, is apparently eating a pizza with a knife and fork. More coverage as it happens.

[Dolerman]

Don't get my thread locked y'all. Look at the regulars here and their post history, they spend most of their time here.

[mdk]

Don't get my thread locked y'all. Look at the regulars here and their post history, they spend most of their time here.

@Dynamo Frokane

yup

"I do belong here. These bad people are what I'm good at. Outtalking them, outthinking them. It's what I am. And I like it."

[Dolerman]

@mdk I talk a lot of shit about GOT, but that scene actually made me cry.

[SleepingSilence]

Ahem, with a mild grace period and the fact that I did nothing wrong, all cleared up. I can get back to the important issues.

I did not happen to see this yesterday, I think it be rude to just let this go without conclusion.

Excuse the fuck you? You didn't say anything that can be interpreted as bad boy behaviour in strictest terms but it's still awfully fucking annoying to be referred to as "mr. middle finger man," which surprises me that you hold such a long lite-grudge. I wasn't punished here because literally the only person to be punished here is ace of fucks because that was a person who's retardation was too far off the charts to be noticeable, but it was repeatedly said rules would be lax here. And, you want a fucking apology? For what, precisely? Sure, maybe just now I'll be saying nasty things but I flipped you off because you threw derogatory shit at me for wanting to keep the old land out of the horrid poverty it's in.

And, you haven't seen me talk to people outside of politics in a friendly manner? Well woop-de-fucking doo la or however they say it, that's because I haven't once interacted with you outside of such a setting you little shit. If what you were saying was even remotely true I wouldn't be in 3 RPs at once, and a cursory glance through your profile goes to show you don't spend time outside of spam threads where you don't have any proper interactions.

Oh, and lay off of the "lol I was super nice and kind and understanding until you bad boys corrupted me :(((" bullshit, it's fucking annoying. You weren't a paragon before you were triggered more than that bitch in the memes by fabricant who whilst I very often disagree with said literally naught wrong to you. And, you're not the only person here having "rational discussion," stop fucking lying cunt

@Andreyich

Literally every sentence of that is wrong and completely subverts things I've said. I also saw no proof to the contrary to anything I said.

(Though despite me specifying that a certain section, wasn't directed at you, you managed to take offense to it. AND make the very comment I predicted AND it's disingenuous. Because, you -also- haven't even been around long enough to even know what I'm talking about. Because I've been dealing with this for a year longer, with the same individuals, than you've even been a member. Outstanding.)

Also the oddly placed attack about me being in spam, making it in a derogatory sense, is also subsequently mocking yourself and probably most here, so I can tell how much careful thought you put into your rant. (and it's another thing that's just wrong because I'm in 4 roleplays already during the process of moving, and I'm waiting on -everyone else- not the other way around.)

But I'll just leave it at that...

But here, I'll do something you don't understand why you should. I'll apologize for bringing up something that happened months ago. Admittedly, quite immature of me. I also promise, to never bring it up again. Or say anything directly or indirectly to you unless you happen to come at me first. Kay (besides I have all the new things you said about me.)

@POOHEAD189

Get it? It's a fantasy?

Don't be too excited now, it was a misunderstanding. Disappointing as that is I'm sure.

And here's something substantive about politics, since that is apart of rules of this once Mass Effect Andromeda sucks thread.

Here's an interview of guy that stopped the Texas Shooter. Seems like a pretty swell guy.



Also, somewhat political and possibly interesting conjecture I found yesterday night, about the media possibly lying. (or what a rare sight.)