[OOC] Fate/stay Night - War of the Fourteen Magi - High Casual

[Kost Alter]

As stated you're on a tree and somehow within eyesight of the people inside a cathedral. Meaning you're either seeing through the walls, or your inside the church grounds. There's no way to be watching what's happening in the church from a servant's perspective from outside the grounds.

@vancexentan

I thought that all our characters were still on the courtyard, since Orazio and Aden were never invited inside. Even then, the tree argument still stands, she never breached the barrier. I'll gladly edit my previous post to remove the part of Assassin seeing Kiyohime, but if I do that, shouldn't the part of the executioner noticing Assassin also be retconed?

[vancexentan]

The servant characters aren't allowed beyond the gates. Leon entered the church in his first post, and then went further inside to go to the meeting room. Anyone conversing with Leon, and Togami have to be inside the church. Any servant who steps inside the church is spotted by the bounded field and stopped by the guard regardless of presence concealment for multiple values not just the bounded field itself. I would prefer not to spoil WHY the church has so many contingencies so I would ask that you not ask about all of them.

If you retcon Assassin seeing the people then I will remove Brother Jun's own assault on assassin. It was a warning more than anything.

[Kost Alter]

The servant characters aren't allowed beyond the gates. Leon entered the church in his first post, and then went further inside to go to the meeting room. Anyone conversing with Leon, and Togami have to be inside the church. Any servant who steps inside the church is spotted by the bounded field and stopped by the guard regardless of presence concealment for multiple values not just the bounded field itself. I would prefer not to spoil WHY the church has so many contingencies so I would ask that you not ask about all of them.

If you retcon Assassin seeing the people then I will remove Brother Jun's own assault on assassin. It was a warning more than anything.

@vancexentan

I've removed that part entirely.

EDIT: Also, how did Kiyohime enter the church if no servant is allowed to enter?

[The Red Seelie]

The servant characters aren't allowed beyond the gates. Leon entered the church in his first post, and then went further inside to go to the meeting room. Anyone conversing with Leon, and Togami have to be inside the church. Any servant who steps inside the church is spotted by the bounded field and stopped by the guard regardless of presence concealment for multiple values not just the bounded field itself. I would prefer not to spoil WHY the church has so many contingencies so I would ask that you not ask about all of them.

If you retcon Assassin seeing the people then I will remove Brother Jun's own assault on assassin. It was a warning more than anything.

@vancexentan

Er Kiyohime never leaves Adans side. Ever. She is certainly within the walls of the church. Secondly, shes being as possible, under circumstance. She should be kicked out like the rest but. I guess attires do work wonders.

[vancexentan]

@1Charak2I wasn't sure if she was or not considering you didn't say for certain. However if she doesn't move out, or if Adan doesn't leave then the Church will take actions. If she is still indeed in there then the guard will be there soon to remove her. They have a specific set of rules up: No violence, or servants in the church when there are masters present. If they don't comply with the rules they will make people comply with it in one way or another. This isn't me being an ass it's the church making sure no one tries something when they expressly made sure masters won't be harmed.

[The Red Seelie]

@1Charak2I wasn't sure if she was or not considering you didn't say for certain. However if she doesn't move out, or if Adan doesn't leave then the Church will take actions. If she is still indeed in there then the guard will be there soon to remove her. They have a specific set of rules up: No violence, or servants in the church when there are masters present. If they don't comply with the rules they will make people comply with it in one way or another. This isn't me being an ass it's the church making sure no one tries something when they expressly made sure masters won't be harmed.

@vancexentan

Problem is see, its Kiyohime. Shes not going to just 'leave' shes going to stand politely and listen like an assistant does. No bloodshed inside the church. Even if they have rules.

Since when can berserker play a game with any rules.

[vancexentan]

Then Adan will receive three options in the next post: A) Use a command seal himself, or allow the church too do so in his stead, B) Leave and come back later. or C) have Berserker executed. As is this is a story importance point I would recommend B, or possibly A. And with Togami there C is a guaranteed success. One doesn't fuck around with Togami and expect to win when they ignore the rules. I'm not sure if you were around in the other rp when I said so but Togami is indeed the default strongest mage in this roleplay.

[The Red Seelie]

Then Adan will receive three options in the next post: A) Use a command seal himself, or allow the church too do so in his stead, B) Leave and come back later. or C) have Berserker executed. As is this is a story importance point I would recommend B, or possibly A. And with Togami there C is a guaranteed success. One doesn't fuck around with Togami and expect to win when they ignore the rules. I'm not sure if you were around in the other rp when I said so but Togami is indeed the default strongest mage in this roleplay.

@vancexentan

Request for option D. As the change in manner to supply servant abilities is very noticable. Get one of the guards to monitor his supply rate of Kiyohime. Then shoot him if it increases. Therefore if he does do anything that could breach ot. Such an arrangement would gurantee his swift end.

Reasoning is that Kiyohimes stats are manageable even by enemy magus. Its only her noble phantasm that could be seen as a problem. So monitoring the mana supply prevents funny business and lets Berserker remain in the building. A special case considering her madness enhancement.

[Kost Alter]

@vancexentan @1Charak2
I think it'd work best if this whole debate was brought up IC, so that Adan may respond to it IC and so on.

[vancexentan]

Togami wouldn't allow that option. If he can't bring his servant in, nor can the others such an exception would be biased, and baseless. Leon would agree he doesn't like the risk if his Saber, a literal saint incapable of doing anything expressly evil, can't come into a place of her own faith why should other servants. And Father Walter while he'd sympathize with Kiyo wouldn't allow it because he's a firm believer in the fact that rules are meant to be followed. He will not risk Kiyo's presence as it not only offends the other masters, but it would also be a slight on all the other servants who would come only to be stopped at the gate. No one knows about Kiyo's current status, and if they did it'd just make the more antsy to get her away from them.

Short story shorter: The church won't show bias, nor would they risk the other masters safety, and half of the current masters present wouldn't allow it anyway.

[vancexentan]

@Kost AlterI would do that but I don't want to preemptively kill off both of Charak's characters like a giant dick because Kiyo has a complex about never being away from their master. The situation is only being brought up because Kiyo is inside the church if she was waiting at the gate this wouldn't be a thing.

It's a case of

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bu..

one way or another.

[Cu Chulainn]

My apologies, but I think I'll have to opt out of making a Master after all, seeing as my activity in the near future may be dubious seeing as a few things have came up in my end.

That being said, if anyone who joins in the future wants to have Rider as a Servant, I'd be happy to oblige.

[vancexentan]

@Cu ChulainnAlright well that certainly brings this roleplay's prospects of survival rather down drastically but at the very least thanks for telling us.

[The Red Seelie]

My apologies, but I think I'll have to opt out of making a Master after all, seeing as my activity in the near future may be dubious seeing as a few things have came up in my end.

That being said, if anyone who joins in the future wants to have Rider as a Servant, I'd be happy to oblige.

@Cu Chulainn

Are you saying you'll still rp as the horseman if you had a master for them?

Because If so, I'll be happy to oblige and make such a master.

[The Red Seelie]

@Kost AlterI would do that but I don't want to preemptively kill off both of Charak's characters like a giant dick because Kiyo has a complex about never being away from their master. The situation is only being brought up because Kiyo is inside the church if she was waiting at the gate this wouldn't be a thing.

It's a case of

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bu..

one way or another.

@vancexentan

Option B, but still gonna make a storm about it because its Kiyohime.

[Cu Chulainn]

@1Charak2If it isn't if any inconvenience for you, sure.

[Kost Alter]

@vancexentan I've posted. Assassin is outside the church's bounded field. She cannot see or hear anything that's going on inside the church. She can only see people that are entering or exiting the building.

[The Red Seelie]

@1Charak2If it isn't if any inconvenience for you, sure.

@Cu Chulainn

May I have your notes from the character you were working on? It seems interesting enough of a concept to use golemancy.Lets continue this conversation in pm's

[vancexentan]

alright I'll try to post later today so I can get Adan out of the church, and all other such nonsense.

[vancexentan]

@Kost AlterI would send Jeanne, or another servant to say hi but presence concealment being active really doesn't allow for that unless you want me to pull some bizarre Revelation shenanigans.