[OOC] Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

[vFear]

lowkey wanna replay f/sn vn but lowkey don't wanna commit another 50+ hours.

at least heavens feel movies are meant to exist soon.

[Cu Chulainn]

Guns tend to be weaker in Nasuverse because they have less mystery compared to a trusty archer's bow and swords definitely arrows. Plus, they're seen as a defining symbol of the Modern Age

EDIT: The reason why Lancelot's bullets hurt is due to Knight of Owner

[Turboshitter]

lowkey wanna replay f/sn vn but lowkey don't wanna commit another 50+ hours.

at least heavens feel movies are meant to exist soon.

@vFear

I spent hours trying to get Wine to work the first time I played F/SN and I have no desire to repeat the experience, unfortunately. Thank god for ufotable.

But yeah, I do have a few questions about Gerard before we proceeed~

1. How powerful would you say each bullet is? Can a single non-NP shot kill? Are they faster/harder to dodge than a normal Archer's arrows like Lancelot's bullets were?

2. What's the difference between Unyielding Will and Battle Continuation in practical terms? Keep in mind even Rank B in B.C. is pretty ludicrous:



(though admittedly that might be Lancer when he has Rank A in that skill as opposed to Kotomine's Rank C, I can't remember)

3. Are you dead-set on A+ Endurance? I mean I get this guy went through some shit, but... *eyes the above*

Of course Spartacus somehow has EX Rank Endurance so what the fuck do I know apparently :/

[Grey]

oh hey an archer who doesn't use a bow

now it's really a holy grail war

[Turboshitter]

Guns tend to be weaker in Nasuverse because they have less mystery compared to a trusty archer's bow and swords definitely arrows. Plus, they're seen as a defining symbol of the Modern Age

EDIT: The reason why Lancelot's bullets hurt is due to Knight of Owner

@Cu Chulainn

Yes, but these pistols are Noble Phantasms as well, and ones of a higher rank than the ones produced by Knight of Owner, so the same lethality would in theory apply. At least that's what I assume, anyway. I could be wrong. There are a lot of other Servants with guns nowadays who don't seem nearly as lethal, so I was hoping @vFear could tell us where Gerard stands.

[Turboshitter]

oh hey an archer who doesn't use a bow

now it's really a holy grail war

@Grey

oh my god grey stop you're killing me here xD

[vFear]

@Turboshitter Of course. To answer your questions:

1: I don't imagine a bullet being able to kill a servant even with a direct hit to something important, if not just for balancing issues alone. I imagine that a bullet would travel faster than an arrow and the reload is both hands-free and autonomous, so a standard bullet being able to kill would probably be ludicrous, even on top of the reduced range from the pre-flintlock firearm. As for mages.. well, that's maybe a bit more ambiguous? Convenience as suiting the plot, anatomy/hit locations, etc?
EDIT: Then again, the big thing that made firearms lethal was that medical technology was behind that of weapons technology; for example, during the American Civil War, they'd just leave people shot in the torso to die because they couldn't fix it, and if it was a limb they'd just amputate the limb. In the modern day, it's a bit different.

2: From what I understand from the wiki, the difference is that Unyielding is a reduced effect from physical and mental damage, whereas Continuation is taking something that might knock him out on grounds of being too injured to fight well, effectively giving the opponent a hella advantage, and still being up to scratch; although being a B rank, mortal would still be mortal.

3: I'm happy to drop Endurance if you'd prefer it.

[Turboshitter]

@Turboshitter Of course. To answer your questions:

1: I don't imagine a bullet being able to kill a servant even with a direct hit to something important, if not just for balancing issues alone. I imagine that a bullet would travel faster than an arrow and the reload is both hands-free and autonomous, so a standard bullet being able to kill would probably be ludicrous, even on top of the reduced range from the pre-flintlock firearm. As for mages.. well, that's maybe a bit more ambiguous? Convenience as suiting the plot, anatomy/hit locations, etc?

2: From what I understand from the wiki, the difference is that Unyielding is a reduced effect from physical and mental damage, whereas Continuation is taking something that might knock him out on grounds of being too injured to fight well, effectively giving the opponent a hella advantage, and still being up to scratch; although being a B rank, mortal would still be mortal.

3: I'm happy to drop Endurance if you'd prefer it.

@vFear

If you drop Endurance to maybe B or C, I'll let you keep Unyielding Will and Rank B B.C. Sound good? :)

[Cu Chulainn]

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Yes, but these pistols are Noble Phantasms as well, and ones of a higher rank than the ones produced by Knight of Owner, so the same lethality would in theory apply. At least that's what I assume, anyway. I could be wrong. There are a lot of other Servants with guns nowadays who don't seem nearly as lethal, so I was hoping @vFear could tell us where Gerard stands.

@Turboshitter

I was speaking more in line about Gun NPs specifically. As I said earlier, guns have less mystery. They're generally weaker because they're usually more modern. It goes to the core rule that Older = Stronger.

That being said, I'm only trying to provide further insight as to how to balance Gun NPs, and I'm not trying to insinuate that all guns should basically be Airsoft Guns compared to dudes who chuck swords.

[Turboshitter]

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I was speaking more in line about Gun NPs specifically. As I said earlier, guns have less mystery. They're generally weaker because they're usually more modern. It goes to the core rule that Older = Stronger.

That being said, I'm only trying to provide further insight as to how to balance Gun NPs, and I'm not trying to insinuate that all guns should basically be Airsoft Guns compared to dudes who chuck swords.

@Cu Chulainn

Ah, okay. I misunderstood you. Yeah, balancing gun NPs can be... tricky.

[vFear]

@Turboshitter Sounds great. I've modified the character sheet to fit, namely by dropping the Endurance to B- to fit the middle ground between B and C that you've asked for.

[Turboshitter]

@Turboshitter Sounds great. I've modified the character sheet to fit, namely by dropping the Endurance to B- to fit the middle ground between B and C that you've asked for.

@vFear

Alright, just let me finish watching WestWorld and I'll add today's new applicants to the tab ;P

[Turboshitter]

@vFear@Vocab@MeteorD Okay! Kintoki, Gerard, and Olympia have all been accepted and added to the character tab. You are free to discuss potential pairings (though I personally would like to see Olympia and Gerard partner up in a Caster & Ryuunosuke sorta way lol)!

All we're waiting on right now is Rider, Lancer, and three more Masters.

[MeteorD]

Are the remaining 3 Masters already paired up with anyone?

[vFear]

Speaking of potential pairings.. totally not to advertise or anything buuuutttt both Sonja and Archer are pending pairings if anyone's interested~

[Temporary]

On the topic of why a lot of people are joining this, I have to say personally that Albert's speech from the IC had me down immediately. Especially the line "If I see anyone trying to pull any of zat sneaky Tohsaka shit just because zey want ze Grail all to zemselves, I'll feed you to my pets. Comprenez vous?"

I don't think I've been sold on a Roleplay faster XD

[The Red Seelie]

When Assassin walks into a local shop in order to help her fulfil her dutys

[Temporary]

@1Charak2

[Cu Chulainn]

Will Mobile Suit Daedelus be enough to stop anything as big as Zero!Caster's demon or anything similar?

If not, I'll try and work out a sort of Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm.

[vancexentan]

@MeteorD@Grey Grey do you know if there's any master who needs a servant? Meteor needs a master.