[OOC] Fate/numerus clausus (A Great Holy Grail War RP in Scotland!)

[Grey]

@Cu Chulainn u should give him the onikind demon skill it's equivalent to like five different skills and it has the same prereq.

do it for the memes. be the gilgamesh of red team.

[Cu Chulainn]

@Cu Chulainn u should give him the onikind demon skill it's equivalent to like five different skills and it has the same prereq.

do it for the memes. be the gilgamesh of red team.

@Grey

plsno, i dont want benkei to be tamano-dog

[Temporary]

@Grey I agree with this statement; we need a Gil on our team, if only for comedic effect XD

[vancexentan]

@GreyOr I could say that's too much on top of stats that match a currently fame boosted Mordred. I was waiting for Turbo to give his judgement but I'm stopping the buck right there.

[Turboshitter]

@GreyOr I could say that's too much on top of stats that match a currently fame boosted Mordred. I was waiting for Turbo to give his judgement but I'm stopping the buck right there.

@vancexentan

His stats aren't equal though. At most he matches her in two categories out of five. And anyway, I've been considering.

I like Benkei's abilities, however I am worried about exactly what qualifies as "a wound that would kill him standing up". That seems vague enough for him to dodge a bullet on a lot of different fatal attacks. Does it mean he is specifically weak to being shot with arrows? Can you not die standing after someone stabs you in the heart?

Also, this is just me, but I liked the picture you posted earlier more. Nothing really important about that at all, I just think it looks better:/

[Grey]

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plsno, i dont want benkei to be tamano-dog

@Cu Chulainn

be the grossly op oc servant u know u can be

[Cu Chulainn]

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be the grossly op oc servant u know u can be

@Grey

i cant. thats like adding ten gatling guns onto the great wall of china

[Temporary]

@Cu Chulainn So fucking awesome sounding? I SEE NO NEGATIVES WITH THIS PLAN!

[Cu Chulainn]

@Cu Chulainn So fucking awesome sounding? I SEE NO NEGATIVES WITH THIS PLAN!

@Vocab

But then the gatling guns would shoot nukes, and nukes aren't fun when you're a JAPANESE SERVANT

[Grey]

why a japanese servant hanging around the great wall of china anyway

[Temporary]

@Cu Chulainn Please, you obviously know nothing. Nukes and the Japanese go together as well as Dogs and Raisins!

...wait...

[vancexentan]

Alright I may have had a bit of a knee jerk reaction however with his current stats he is on par with high ranking members of the round table and could probably take out guys like Tristan, Agravain, and Kay. I don't mind characters being as strong as my Saber what I mind is the unwarranted high level of strength. I'd bring it down to B at the very least. The endurance is warranted for the character at hand. However things like Visage bring him up to par like monsters of the five tiger generals of Shu which I don't believe is warranted as I'm sure most people are more aware of them then Benkei.

[MeteorD]

fame boosted Mordred

@vancexentan

I didn't notice this. Jesus fuck.

[vancexentan]

@MeteorDYes I pointed those out at the start of the rp. I wanted to give Mordred her base kit but Turbo wanted to push the envelope and give her the fame boost to make her some sort of insane monster servant.

Alright I may have had a bit of a knee jerk reaction however with his current stats he is on par with high ranking members of the round table and could probably take out guys like Tristan, Agravain, and Kay. I don't mind characters being as strong as my Saber what I mind is the unwarranted high level of strength. I'd bring it down to B at the very least. The endurance is warranted for the character at hand. However things like Visage bring him up to par like monsters of the five tiger generals of Shu which I don't believe is warranted as I'm sure most people are more aware of them then Benkei.

@vancexentan

Quoting this just in case this post gets to the next page.

[Cu Chulainn]

why a japanese servant hanging around the great wall of china anyway

@Grey

Blatent racism.

@Turboshitter@vancexentan

If any balancing is needed, I could rank down his STR, since he has Monstrous Strength anyway (which wouldn't have as much of a notable effect if his Strength was that high to begin with, anyway,) but even False Benkei has pretty high across the board stats, and his own EX-Ranked Noble Phantasm that's marginally more ridiculous.

He's supposed to be a more slow and rooted Servant overall, which means he can't really abuse his duel NP. If the enemy Assassin or Caster or other squishy gets in the range of it's really all on them if they can't outrun him before he uses it.

[Turboshitter]

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Blatent racism.

@Turboshitter@vancexentan

If any balancing is needed, I could rank down his STR, since he has Monstrous Strength anyway (which wouldn't have as much of a notable effect if his Strength was that high to begin with, anyway,) but even False Benkei has pretty high across the board stats, and his own EX-Ranked Noble Phantasm that's marginally more ridiculous.

He's supposed to be a more slow and rooted Servant overall, which means he can't really abuse his duel NP. If the enemy Assassin or Caster or other squishy gets in the range of it's really all on them if they can't outrun him before he uses it.

@Cu Chulainn

The strength nerf to B would be appreciated. If you want, you may increase MAG or LCK to B. And the dueling NP isn't of much concern to me, though I would like to know if it's possible to retreat or refuse the duel. Like I said in my post above, what concerns me is exactly what qualifies as fatal for his EX-Rank NP. What wounds besides arrows might kill him standing up? Could you stab him in the back or the heart? Could you decapitate him?

[vancexentan]

@TurboshitterDread Visage: B is a skill I'm not fond of either Turbo. Benkei was terrifying but so were many warriors. He was Goliath who literally made an entire army wimper under his gaze, or Lu Bu (who is infamous for a variety of reasons). The skill seems unwarranted.

[MeteorD]

@vancexentan
I'm having a bit of trouble finding any proper source in terms of exactly in what capacity stats are boosted from regional fame, but using Vlad as an example

Lancer Vlad, summoned in Romania
STR B
END B
AGI A
MGI A
LCK D

Berserker Vlad, summoned in non-distinct location (no regional boost(?))
STR A
END A
AGI C
MGI B
LCK E

Considering Berserker Vlad's parameters are greatly increased from Madness Enhancement: EX, I do feel I have to mention the stats on Mordred being questionable. Right now she outclasses Herakles in parameters (X+ is actually a pretty major boost) which is more than a little bit silly.

EDIT: For reference

[Turboshitter]

@vancexentan
I'm having a bit of trouble finding any proper source in terms of exactly in what capacity stats are boosted from regional fame, but using Vlad as an example

Lancer Vlad, summoned in Romania
STR B
END B
AGI A
MGI A
LCK D

Berserker Vlad, summoned in non-distinct location (no regional boost(?))
STR A
END A
AGI C
MGI B
LCK E

Considering Berserker Vlad's parameters are greatly increased from Madness Enhancement: EX, I do feel I have to mention the stats on Mordred being questionable. Right now she outclasses Herakles in parameters (X+ is actually a pretty major boost) which is more than a little bit silly.

For reference

@MeteorD

That was my idea, not vance's. As you said, there's no clear indication for what kind of parameter boost fame grants, so I went with a Rank Up to all stats.

[vancexentan]

@MeteorD

Strength: B+[1] Mana: B[1]
Endurance: A[1] Luck: D[1]
Agility: B[1] N. Phantasm: A[1]

Are all of Mordred's skills

Turbo 'fame boosted' the character (meaning they become stronger in the region they were originally from) so he gave all the stats the equivalent of one letter upgrades minus Endurance which is not EX. If you want to bring it up don't bring it to me bring it to Turbo. Just because it's my character doesn't mean I made the stats the way they are.