[OOC] CLOSED - Ultimate One Universe: Season One

[Master Bruce]

Hey, you never know. Someone's Silver Sable could be someone else's Moon Knight or Iron Fist. Different strokes for different folks.

Me? I like Deadpool. I've liked him even before the movie came out and made him a hot commodity. Some find him particularly annoying and wish that he would have never existed, but I'm not one of those people.

On the other hand, fuck Hank Pym. Fuck him in his "Science first!" ass, fuck him for being a wife-beating psychopath, and fuck him for perpetuating the idea that Ant-Man is in any way more interesting than The Wasp. Outside of the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon and the MCU embittered old fart interpretation, I could literally be driven to sleep by any given scene with him in it. I am not only happy that Scott Lang is the movies' version of Ant-Man, I almost wish Pym didn't even have to be a factor, but y'know. Comic book accuracy.

There, now I'm open to attack for my selectively stupid taste in characters that favors Deadpool over one of the founding members of The Avengers.

Who else favors one character over another, more popular character or has never seen the appeal of a particular superhero?*

_{*Anyone who answers "Batman" is getting automatically kicked from the game, because how dare you.}

[Retired]

Hey, you never know. Someone's Silver Sable could be someone else's Moon Knight or Iron Fist. Different strokes for different folks.

@Master Bruce

I have never liked Moon Knight. Ever. His comics bore me.
_{Also, Batman (and Superman) is overrated.}

[DocTachyon]

I could never get behind Martian Manhunter. He just seems like Superman will all of the problems about Superman's character turned up to 11.

[Byrd Man]

Who else favors one character over another, more popular character or has never seen the appeal of a particular superhero?*

_{*Anyone who answers "Batman" is getting automatically kicked from the game, because how dare you.}

@Master Bruce

Gambit, Gambit, Gambit, and fucking Gambit.

[Master Bruce]

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I have never liked Moon Knight. Ever. His comics bore me.
_{Also, Batman (and Superman) is overrated.}

@Retired

I SEE THE TINY TEXT, SIR!

Gambit, Gambit, Gambit, and fucking Gambit.

@Byrd Man

It's almost as if I knew you were going to say that.

Not because I have any personal affinity for Gambit, he's kind of a non-entity to me in terms of the X-Men, but because your undying hatred of Remy LeBeau is almost legendary.

[Master Bruce]

As long as we're trashing superheroes and quickly dividing lines...



This fucking guy can go right to hell. How do you turn Aquaman into an insufferable douchebag who wears a speedo and has wings on his ankles because of a "Look at me, I'm from Atlantis!" superiority complex? You create goddamn Namor The Sub-Mariner.

_{And Imperius Rex sounds like a highly uncomfortable sexual position.}

[Lord Wraith]

I like Dick Grayson more than Bruce Wayne.

I also liked Harley Quinn before she became DC's Deadpool.

And I feel like Lady Vic is sorely underrated and not nearly written well enough, ever.

[Byrd Man]

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It's almost as if I knew you were going to say that.

Not because I have any personal affinity for Gambit, he's kind of a non-entity to me in terms of the X-Men, but because your undying hatred of Remy LeBeau is almost legendary.

@Master Bruce

Let me wife know that when I die, "Fuck Gambit!" should be engraved on my tombstone.

[Supermaxx]

I like Dick Grayson more than Bruce Wayne.

Also like Harley Quinn before she became DC's Deadpool.

And I feel like Lady Vic is sorely underrated and not nearly written well enough, ever.

@Lord Wraith

I liked Dick more when he was Robin. I still like Nightwing, obviously, but he's the definitive Boy Wonder.

[Master Bruce]

I like Dick Grayson more than Bruce Wayne.

@Lord Wraith

YOU...

Well, actually, that's perfectly reasonable. Dick wore the cowl long enough to technically be considered a Batman endorsement. And his tenure under the cowl is honestly still probably my favorite of the modern era.

Also like Harley Quinn before she became DC's Deadpool.

This. I don't know who's been left in charge of the character's comic book evolution since The New 52 made scores of people want to rent out a gallon of eye-bleach, but I genuinely have no idea why they'd want to change a genuinely genius character as invented by Batman: The Animated Series of all things and turn her into something completely different, not to mention lesser in every way. Harley worked fine before 2011. Now she's just... this unrecognizable entity that legitimately makes me sad. I miss my old Harley.

*has no real opinion of Lady Vic because that's a Nightwing thing and I've only read half of Dixon's run*

[Hound55]

As long as we're trashing superheroes and quickly dividing lines...



This fucking guy can go right to hell. How do you turn Aquaman into an insufferable douchebag who wears a speedo and has wings on his ankles because of a "Look at me, I'm from Atlantis!" superiority complex? You create goddamn Namor The Sub-Mariner.

_{And Imperius Rex sounds like a highly uncomfortable sexual position.}

@Master Bruce

As you're likely aware, we're polar opposites on this 'un.

Namor has a place to me, whilst I'm completely indifferent to Water-Thor as a better Thor exists already woth a superior world, supporting cast, antagonists and main character.

[Retired]

As long as we're trashing superheroes and quickly dividing lines...



This fucking guy can go right to hell. How do you turn Aquaman into an insufferable douchebag who wears a speedo and has wings on his ankles because of a "Look at me, I'm from Atlantis!" superiority complex? You create goddamn Namor The Sub-Mariner.

_{And Imperius Rex sounds like a highly uncomfortable sexual position.}

@Master Bruce

Namor came first.
DC turned Namor into a pathetic joke of a character who continuously is looked down upon and made a mockery of.
_{Jokes aside, I have no issue with Aquaman as a character, I think the meme of him being weak is dramatically overused - if written well, he should be one of the most powerful people on Earth - and I love Mera as a character.}

[Master Bruce]

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Namor came first.
DC turned Namor into a pathetic joke of a character who continuously is looked down upon and made a mockery of.
_{Jokes aside, I have no issue with Aquaman as a character, I think the meme of him being weak is dramatically overused - if written well, he should be one of the most powerful people on Earth - and I love Mera as a character.}

@Retired

So did Android Human Torch. Both should've stayed in the 30's where they belong.

_{And yeah, I agree, Aquaman is vastly underrated due to a series of jokes that I personally believe everyone stopped buying into awhile go - except for, ironically, DC Comics, who keeps shoehorning it in to make a statement on how Aquaman can beat the joke, or something. It just reeks of desperation and distracts from Arthur's overall story. Yeah, he talks to fish. You know what else he does? Commands a legion of great white sharks to chomp anyone he wants into bits of flesh. The ocean is no joke.}

As you're likely aware, we're polar opposites on this 'un.

Namor has a place to me, whilst I'm completely indifferent to Water-Thor as a better Thor exists already woth a superior world, supporting cast, antagonists and main character.

@Hound55

See, I've seen you make the Water-Thor comment before, and I've never really understood that. To me, he's the inversion of Thor. Thor comes from a mythical place and was raised there, fought there, and became a legend in his own right before being stranded on our little mudball of a planet to learn humility.

Arthur was raised as a human up to his mid-teens and had to learn to control an otherworldly power that gave him an advantage against a portion of the planet that's still virtually unexplored. While I definitely think some writers choose to write him as alien and distant because of the "Talking Fish-Man" stigma, I don't buy into that characterization. I think Arthur's at his best when he's the one who still clings onto his humanity despite Atlantis, who've outcast him multiple times, telling him to be more Kingly and less like the surface dwellers.

[Hound55]

I genuinely have no idea why they'd want to change a genuinely genius character as invented by Batman: The Animated Series of all things and turn her into something completely different, not to mention lesser in every way.

@Master Bruce

Because, despite the fact i agree with you, she sells product.

[Lord Wraith]

This. I don't know who's been left in charge of the character's comic book evolution since The New 52 made scores of people want to rent out a gallon of eye-bleach, but I genuinely have no idea why they'd want to change a genuinely genius character as invented by Batman: The Animated Series of all things and turn her into something completely different, not to mention lesser in every way. Harley worked fine before 2011. Now she's just... this unrecognizable entity that legitimately makes me sad. I miss my old Harley.

@Master Bruce

You're not the only one.

When I read Batman: White Knight, I went in with every intent to hate it. I hated the concept, I hated how 'progressive' and 'current' all the reviewers made it seem. So I finally broke and had to read it for myself...

And I loved it.

One of the best aspects of it though is the acknowledgment of Harley and how it tackles why and how the current Harley is so different from the Harley we came to know and love through BTAS. Honestly, White Knight in many ways is a love letter to at least the last thirty years of Batman's various publications.

I recommend it for anyone who has yet to read it.

[DocTachyon]

Bit of a rushed post up, but I'm going on vacation in about a week's time and I want to get my crossover with SU going before that happens.

Also, another character that bugs me. The Flash. He works great as a supporting/secondary character. Loved him on JLU. Like him in League comics. I just don't think the guy can hold a story on his own so great. He's so damn fast that either his villains have to be speedsters to make things interesting, or it's wholly unrealistic that he hasn't solved crime the world over.

[Master Bruce]

Because, despite the fact i agree with you, she sells product.

@Hound55

She does, but only because a certain version of her was given to the public at large over the version that had already proven popular to people who weren't necessarily comic book fans. I guarantee you that if they reverted her back to her Dini characterization, none of the fans of the new version would bat an eye. Margot Robbie could show up in the next film wearing the classic outfit and doing the Looney Tunes schtick and I'm sure people would see it as a natural progression, even, from The Queen Of Hot Topic.

You're not the only one.

When I read Batman: White Knight, I went in with every intent to hate it. I hated the concept, I hated how 'progressive' and 'current' all the reviewers made it seem. So I finally broke and had to read it for myself...

And I loved it.

One of the best aspects of it though is the acknowledgment of Harley and how it tackles why and how the current Harley is so different from the Harley we came to know and love through BTAS. Honestly, White Knight in many ways is a love letter to at least the last thirty years of Batman's various publications.

I recommend it for anyone who has yet to read it.

@Lord Wraith

I agree with that. I can also see why people would be turned off by it, especially the rockier first issue with the ridiculous method in which Batman tries to "rehabilitate" The Joker, but Murphy did some astounding world-building for both a pre-existing universe and a mini-series that honestly feels like it could be in canon until the very end. And yeah, my favorite part was definitely the separation of Faux Harley and Harley Prime, to the point that Murphy created the only version of Post-New 52 Harley that I've ever liked with Neo Joker.

[AndyC]

I'm gonna say something that will probably get me killed; I do not care for the DCAU Batman.

Batman in the first three seasons of B:TAS was wonderful, and I loved Kevin Conroy's voice then, when he made a point to have some actual inflection and make his Batman and Bruce voices different. But as soon as it came time for him to start mixing it up with the other characters, IMO the character stopped being interesting. The writers' blatant favoritism when it came to Gotham characters being treated as innately superior to the rest certainly didn't help, but I also think they leaned way too hard into his whole "cold and calculating" outer shell to the point where that's basically all he was. And while I know that from Season 4 of BTAS to the present day, the monotone deadpan version of Conroy's voice is the definitive voice for most people, I feel like it makes him the least interesting part of any scene he's in, to the point where it often feels like Mark Hamill has to pull double-duty to bring the energy to their tag team.

[Lord Wraith]

Good game folks, it was fun while it lasted.

[DocTachyon]

When MB reads what Andy has said: