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Update: The OOC/IC is up: http://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/19063/posts/ooc
Before I start, I need to clarify a few things.

Precipice of War, the RP in question, is an RP that has already been made. In fact it's been going for years and has a big lore to back it up. It simply needs to get moved here from another forum (which is a lot harder than it sounds), and this isn't as much an interest-check for a potential RP as much as it is us trying to get some new players on board and ready for when we do move it here (which should be soon).

We have another interest-check in the Nation RP section. Why? Well, because it's a Nation RP. But the way Precipice of War is played is a lot different from the way I've seen people play Nation roleplays here in the RPGuild, which is why I felt it was necessary to put an interest-check here too.

Precipice of War is a Nation RP. As in, you control nations. But it's not done like I've seen it done here. It's done in a way that emphasizes character focus. It's hard to explain, but basically.. it's like a HUGE character-based roleplay. You control a lot of characters who are part of the nation you play. Your "main" character is the leader of your nation, but you also play as other people who are part of the government. Or even just civilians. Wars are usually played through the perspective of a solider fighting it, for example. It's not "Country A invades Country B". It's you telling a story through the eyes of developed-characters affiliated to your nation.

To help you better understand, here's a post from Precipice of War.

The post goes over events that occurred during a war, but it's played through the eyes of a character named Hassan. Hassan is a well-developed character, and that post shows some of what he has been through in the past. And, as you can see, the post is very character-oriented. But Precipice of War is a Nation RP. It's played kinda like a character-based RP, but it's still a Nation RP. Think of it as a really big character-based RP where you control many characters, each with their own personalities, duties and stories. But you also control one that just so happens to run a nation (your "main" character).

The reason I feel it so necessary to explain this, is because from what I've seen, Nation roleplays are played very differently here. They don't seem very character-based. They seem to deal more with administrative duties, and very little with actually developing characters and exploring their lives outside of sending letters to other nations or whatever.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing a Nation roleplay that way, but I'm saying that's not how Precipice of War plays. And because Precipice of War plays so much like character-based roleplays, I felt I needed to put an interest-check here to get the attention of people who might otherwise not come across the interest-check in the Nation RP section. Because, frankly, it's not getting much interest there, and I feel a lot of it has to do with the fact that Nation roleplays simply aren't very popular, probably because most people here seem to prefer character-based roleplays.

So yeah. Precipice of War is a nation RP, but it's not played like a strategy game. It's played like a character-based RP. We all control a nation and tell its story through the use of many characters.

Anyway, enough rambling. You can read about what the RP more-or-less is in the "main" interest-check, here.

Thanks, homies.
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Time to do something that the Precipicers will be familar with. A wordcount!

For references, This is the original MCF thread. There was also a sporum thread, it is older... but i'm not messing with that.

So, I actually went ahead and tallied the specific wordcounts of a sample set of pages, which gave me this

(page): (wordcount)
5: 2445
25: 8134
50:10013
75: 7407
100:22,756
137: 33,036

An interesting note: Page 137, the last completed page in the MCF, has a long enough word count to count as a novelette.

Averaging that gave me an average word count pet page of ~13965, which in turn gave me an average post count (since there is 20 posts per page) of 698. This is below my 750 guess I used during the last post counts, so our semi-scientific end result is now only ~1.91 million words.

So what is 1.91 million words?

http://www.cesspit.net/drupal/node/1869

The Lord of the Rings trilogy is 473k words, making Precipice MCF four times as long. Precipice also just slightly passes ASOIAF, the Game of Thrones books, beating their 1.77m wordcount by roughly 140k words. We also beat the Dark Tower series's 1.25k length by 660k words.

To give a visual, this...



Is somewhere between 530k and 560k (depending on the translation and how much fluff they cut, and I don't know what version this picture is). That would be roughly a little more than a quarter the size of Precipice.

Now, the big difference of course is that MCF precipice is a mess. A lot of it is shit posts, a lot of it is shit writing, and there are plenty of dead end stories and unnecessary fluff. None the same, this should help explain to newcomers why we are coming to this with so much in terms of oddly specific rules and baggage. We are cutting a lot of the canon, so don't worry about having to know much about the old thread. We will tell you what is important.

...and if you are wondering, no, we don't expect anybody to read all that. It would be insane if you tried.
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The reason I feel it so necessary to explain this, is because from what I've seen, Nation roleplays are played very differently here. They don't seem very character-based. They seem to deal more with administrative duties, and very little with actually developing characters and exploring their lives outside of sending letters to other nations or whatever.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing a Nation roleplay that way, but I'm saying that's not how Precipice of War plays. And because Precipice of War plays so much like character-based roleplays, I felt I needed to put an interest-check here to get the attention of people who might otherwise not come across the interest-check in the Nation RP section. Because, frankly, it's not getting much interest there, and I feel a lot of it has to do with the fact that Nation roleplays simply aren't very popular, probably because most people here seem to prefer character-based roleplays.


What you say is true, and I think the trend stems indirectly from the fact that writers for nations, at least in the advanced subforum, consider it better writing to realistically portray and deconstruct the inner bureaucracy of a government. On the meta-analysis, meticulously lending details in such a fashion helps other posters better understand what each faction is capable of - posters are less likely to be angry if they feel they've been sent a curveball if you can back it up with solid reasoning and precedence. Individual characters can suffer from such a focus, but I've had the fortune to participate in a few RPs where character development was expected and required of posters in addition to writing for a faction.

As for the lack of apparent interest for Nation Roleplays - I can say that before the Guild reboot, there used to be something of a NRP regulars group (not an official group, mind you: Literally, just a bunch of specific people who could usually be expected to be working on/writing in an NRP), and since the reboot a large number of them appear to be gone. Personally, I don't like the Nation Role Play subforum simply because I can no longer filter NRP threads through the advanced section. I am unsure how frequent NRPs were/are in the Free/Casual subforums, but if they were/are rare in those places that might also explain the lack of interest.
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Precipice started the same way. I recall we had such meticulous rules for pacing and making sure everything was accounted for that, at once point, each page accounted for a single day. Now, this was in a time when it wasn't as detailed, but it still ran like syrup.

I think the switch to vaguer terms happened when the majority of us simply grew comfortable with each other. Comfortable enough to allow for the occasional curve ball so long as it made sense.
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Vilageidiotx said
Precipice started the same way. I recall we had such meticulous rules for pacing and making sure everything was accounted for that, at once point, each page accounted for a single day. Now, this was in a time when it wasn't as detailed, but it still ran like syrup.I think the switch to vaguer terms happened when the majority of us simply grew comfortable with each other. Comfortable enough to allow for the occasional curve ball so long as it made sense.


Even after people have grown acquainted with each other, I have seen instances where the focus was retained on the politics and functions - some people just like it better that way. Writing for the functions of a nation does not need to be tedious, as long as the writer goes to the effort to make it both interesting and meaningful.
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Terminal said
Even after people have grown acquainted with each other, I have seen instances where the focus was retained on the politics and functions - some people just like it better that way. Writing for the functions of a nation does not need to be tedious, as long as the writer goes to the effort to make it both interesting and meaningful.


That is a valid way of doing things, of course, but for Precipice we are trying to focus on a ground up approach. It's just the style we prefer for this RP.
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We're almost done with some of the stuff we have to get sorted before we move the RP here. Hopefully an OOC thread with everything laid out nicely will attract a bigger crowd.
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The OOC/IC is up: http://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/19063/posts/ooc
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