[OOC] Dungeon Builder Monster Extraordinaire

[Kenshi]

Krieg mumbles under his breath, "y'all lost the fight."
😁

[Lucius Cypher]

@VeyrinDay Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Defiler meant for you to desecrate other gods stuff so you can envoke your deity's power? Like if Iziza domain covers lust and such, I figured a Defiling moment would be something like seducing a husband to break the bond of love and marriage. Or throwing acid on a beautiful person's face so their beauty isn't as great as yours/your deity.

[VeyrinDay]

@VeyrinDay Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Defiler meant for you to desecrate other gods stuff so you can envoke your deity's power? Like if Iziza domain covers lust and such, I figured a Defiling moment would be something like seducing a husband to break the bond of love and marriage. Or throwing acid on a beautiful person's face so their beauty isn't as great as yours/your deity.

@Lucius Cypher

The book says:

Tick it once each time you defile something sacred or beautiful that is antithetical to your god’s domains.

...and this quite matches in the way I build my character as a heretic.

[VeyrinDay]

The rule doesn't say "randomized" so I presume the effect of Defiler's clock is still in my choice.

[Lucius Cypher]

Yeah I saw that, what confuses me is the term antithetical. That means "the opposite" of your god's domain. So if Iziza covers Seduction and Tricky, you should be defiling something that is the "opposite" of Seduction and Trickery that is also considered sacred and beautiful. Hence my example of seducing a married man since you're defiling the "beauty" of matrimony. And by forcing the affair, that's also dishonest and a form of trickery. At least that's how I think of it.

Again I could be wrong, more conceptually I just think it's weird that you're a follower of Iziza while blatantly going against her own tenets, yet still getting power from it. When you mentioned being a heretic I just thought you meant relative to the gods of light, not being a heretic towards the gods of darkness.

To put it another way, it'll be like if you were a follower of a war god and you gain his blessing by promoting nonviolence and saving lives with medicine and therapy.

[Lucius Cypher]

But then again you are a heretic, perhaps even the ultimate heretic at that. You'll never be accepted by the Gods of Light because of who you are and your teachings are blatantly against the usual tenets of your dark god. You're like the ultimate rebel.

[VeyrinDay]

@Lucius Cypher From what I got is that the ritual acts as a "punishment" since ritual magics are basically requiring high cost, such as getting shock in attributes. The effect itself, I justify in my fluff, being the imprint of the defiled god, and the god allows the defiler to choose the effect of the imprint in order to understand how powerful he/she is.

Again, Baganaria is a heretic. She still worship Iziza through seeing something that is borderline antithetical to Iziza's domain as the other side of the coin itself.

I'm planning a character development in that she will get Iziza's favor that she will provide Baganaria with Channeling ability in the future.

[VeyrinDay]

But then again you are a heretic, perhaps even the ultimate heretic at that. You'll never be accepted by the Gods of Light because of who you are and your teachings are blatantly against the usual tenets of your dark god. You're like the ultimate rebel.

@Lucius Cypher

Exactly! This is how I designed her.

[Lucius Cypher]

If nothing else, Darc was never a religious slime. He'll just motion to Baganaria for all the weird stuff religion turns people into. Or maybe he can use her as "proof" of how even worshipers of the dark god can be "faithful heretics" to their own gods, to corrupt conventional mortal worshipping people into committing atrocities in the name of their light gods. Like being a catholic priest.

[VeyrinDay]

@Lucius Cypher Not necessarily being opposites. For examples, this image might shows you the idea about how a genre that comes later might be seen as a "heresy" by its predecessors

[Kenshi]

If nothing else, Darc was never a religious slime. He'll just motion to Baganaria for all the weird stuff religion turns people into. Or maybe he can use her as "proof" of how even worshipers of the dark god can be "faithful heretics" to their own gods, to corrupt conventional mortal worshipping people into committing atrocities in the name of their light gods. Like being a catholic priest.

@Lucius Cypher

Let's hope there are no Catholic priest playing in here or they might take offense. Lol

[Lucius Cypher]

@VeyrinDay Yeah that's fair. One person's taboo is another person's culture. And if Baganaria really plans to be a Monster Lord, she can't be a mere follower of a god after all.

@Kenshi Let them be. You can tell a person's worth by the friends they keep, and if their friends hypocrites and sheep, that speaks more about the person. Things they can't admit to.

[Mae]

@Dark Cloud Kobolds sound good!

There are mechanics for disputes. I ask you don't kill or maim another player without OOC permission.

I should also note, later in the roleplay, if anyone gets a hankering to play a different type of character, you can retire your character into the dungeon and make a new character. I don't think it'll be relevant but the options there down the road. So long as people are playing one character at a time.

@VeyrinDay I'm happy with any tense except second to be honest! && you get to roll your own dice :D I actually really like the Shock vs Muscles idea.

We're currently in the intro so we're not in lurking just yet.

@Kenshi glad to hear the dice thing worked! I'm so sorry d&d didn't pan out :c

alrighty, catching up on stuff I missed <3

[Mae]

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last call for locations / monsters / factions / good-guy folk before the map is revealed.

I can change some things later if people realise there's something they're hankering for that's missing, however doing so now saves me some time as well as makes the map more customised for you guys. For example @Dark Cloud do you want a dragon on the map?

Usually we would design the sandbox together, however considering the worries about character creation, I thought it'd be easier to simplify the process a bit so we can get into the action quicker. If the general consensus is a more hands on experience though I would be more then happy to design it as a group.

Right now here's what we're looking at:
- Enchanted Forest, Plains, Tropical coastline with some islands, cursed lands, mountain lake, waterfall, swampy inlet, magical blasted lands
- Humans / dwarves / halflings / gnomes / elves / blind warrior monks / Holy Order of prudence / kobold opportunists / demonic banquet / pirates / peasants / nobles / djinn / vampire / ghosts / witches coven

[VeyrinDay]

@Mae

Location: My succubus has no problem with any types of location. However, @Kenshi might want a quite spacious one for his labyrinth, and @Dark Cloud might want a more stable terrain type for his tunnel. That would probably put islands and swamps out.

Monsters: As long as I'm allowed to narrate my minions recruitment process similar to an ant queen (I also have Namekians in my imagination), i.e. birthing same-species offsprings using a Gold-consuming process, then any creatures in the vicinity is fine. Otherwise, I need a chance to have random succubi groups around. Regardless, the area should have some Kobolds and Minotaurs population to exist. The slime can have the same way of recruiting like my succubus if @Lucius Cypher want, using mitosis for same-species minions.

Factions: For my own character's heretic church to thrive in its initial phase, it is very reasonable for her to stay away from any possible holy orders, demonic cabal, or any organized mages around the dungeon.

Good-guy folk: Any humanoids (humans / dwarves / halflings / gnomes / elves) are fine as long as there's a large portion of demographic distribution that my character can seduce.

[Dark Cloud]

Alright I'm awake and for once I got 9 hours of sleep, in school I usually got 10-12 hours of sleep. Anyways I'll finish my post after I eat breakfast and walk my dogs, sorry for the lengthy wait.

[VeyrinDay]

wow, folks, you all are on opposite time zone than mine. It's still dark over here and I'm quite late for my sleep.

[Dark Cloud]

@VeyrinDay SLEEP

[Lucius Cypher]

@Mae

locations - Still vote forge and Darc himself is endorsing it IC. Perhaps an isolated mountain workshop/mine. That ought to give everyone the space they need once we can start tunneling projects.

monsters - I wanna run into some real ugly, horrifying eldritch abominations just to make Darc feel at home once he later becomes a twisted flesh being. It’ll also be a good sort of reminder that we aren’t the top dog yet when there’s some unfathomable horror lurking over at the lake ready to throw down when he’s done contemplating the cosmos or whatever great old ones do in their free time.

factions - don’t have many strong feels about this one, though I imagine there may be some mercenary group or adventuring guild who’ll be our usual adversary. Perhaps a frontier town that we can slowly corrupt or sabotage so we can raid and take over the place ourselves.

good-guy - also don’t have much of an opinion on this one. Send whoever you feel would suit us best. Though I think it’ll be a good time to fight celestials and angels just to build our cred, and so Darc can consume their bodies and rise to divinity that way. I’m a sucker for slaying the forces of heaven.

[Dark Cloud]

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