Star wars Canon NO MORE!!!

[K-97]

Jster said
I understand that it's not post IV, V, and VI but I've always been a big fan of Revan and wouldn't mind him showing up if they make other spin-off movies. (I heard there were rumors of a Boba one.) I just was always a big fan of Revan, I grew kind of attached.

^This

My gripe is the fact they went and destroyed the Old Republic, it made sense with Post ROTJ IMO because it had gotten a bit convoluted but could they not at least leave the Old Republic alone.

I hope to God they make Prequel films and re-canonize Revan and the Jedi Exile.

[Silver Carrot]

I didn't see a thing saying that none of the EU was csnon anymore. I think their statement means they're not going to check is any of what they're writing clashes with the EU.

If the new movies contradict the EU, than only the EU that it contradicts is made non-canon. The rest isn't touched.

[Captain Jordan]

StarWars.com Press Release

In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s.

Demand for past tales of the Expanded Universe will keep them in print, presented under the new Legends banner.

So they're basically going back to the old system of canon castes. The movies are the gold standard, followed by TV shows and games, followed by the nuTrilogy books/comics/media, followed by the Legends (old EU) books/comics/media.

[Jster]

K-97 said
^This My gripe is the fact they went and destroyed the Old Republic, it made sense with Post ROTJ IMO because it had gotten a bit convoluted but could they not at least leave the Old Republic alone. I hope to God they make Prequel films and re-canonize Revan and the Jedi Exile.

Although I don't know how well Revan losing to the Sith Emperor would go over.

[Gwazi Magnum]

I grew up with Star Wars (hell, my room is still star wars themed from when I was little), my experience is mostly with the movies and the Old Republic. Old Republic being my favourite time era in the star wars universe.

I got 3 books in with the skywalker twins, and about a book in with Admiral Thrawn so I'm familiar with them but not an expert.
So losing them as EU? I can't really say for sure, from what I read of Thrawn he was awesome and I think the movies owe it put him in the movies.
The twin's I'm more neutral on, I enjoyed reading about them (I only really stopped cause no book store ever had the next copy available) but I did read up online on the Yuuzhan Vong and it does get pretty over powered... Just like the clone war animated series, it might be wise to do something else with it.

But there's no reason to touch the Old Republic. That shit is far better written than the movies thanks to Bioware. They executed that time era so well that when I beat Revan in the sith flashpoint on the MMO I felt like I killed my childhood. I have never had another game do that to me.

[mattmanganon]

I suppose that if everything is written out of canon, Starkiller never existed... Which, I suppose is a small victory, which I will have to take to prevent myself from clawing my own eyes out in rage.

[Protagonist]

It's a sad day, really. But I suppose it probably will make for better movies.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Oh good, there goes the bullshit everything-destroyers.

[Cpt Toellner]

Don't think of it as "loosing EU" think of it as a 'recreation".

The stuff we love about Star Wars won't cease to exist just because they want to make a movie universe clear of any contradictions or lore confusion.

I'm honestly excited about this new stage in Star Wars history.

As far as JJ, he will most likely do great things. During a behind the scenes interview on the first Star Trek reboot, Abrams stated that doing a Star Trek movie was strage for him because he always considered himself a Star Wars geek. We are going to get the movie we want.

But I would melt in Thrawn was indeed in it.

[Gwazi Magnum]

I should also note, I know George Lucas is far from innocent in how he treated Star Wars, but it was at least his own creation.

With Disney now in charge (Especially with starting actions like canceling 1313, Making Leia a "Disney Princess" *barf*) that I'm more willing to simply discount what they do as "Well that's Disney, they're just being assholes about it". Granted we got some cases like Tron, Pirates of the Caribbean and Hayao Miyazaki movies where Disney either knew to stay out of it, or actually make it something mature/cool and not shove their "family friendly, family lessons" garbage in it.

But with the current track record of how they've treating star wars waiting specifically I'm waiting until the movie is out and have seen it myself before deciding if I personally am treating Disney's actions as canon for Star Wars or if they are to be dismissed and I simply go along with what George Lucas and the rest of the EU left for us.

[Cpt Toellner]

Magic Magnum said
I should also note, I know George Lucas is far from innocent in how he treated Star Wars, but it was at least his own creation.With Disney now in charge (Especially with starting actions like canceling 1313, Making Leia a "Disney Princess" *barf*) that I'm more willing to simply discount what they do as "Well that's Disney, they're just being assholes about it". Granted we got some cases like Tron, Pirates of the Caribbean and Hayao Miyazaki movies where Disney either knew to stay out of it, or actually make it something mature/cool and not shove their "family friendly, family lessons" garbage in it. But with the current track record of how they've treating star wars waiting specifically I'm waiting until the movie is out and have seen it myself before deciding if I personally am treating Disney's actions as canon for Star Wars or if they are to be dismissed and I simply go along with what George Lucas and the rest of the EU left for us.

Yeah, fuck Disney! How dare they put emphasis on the only strong Female character in the original trilogy!
Princess Leia is NOT a princess.

Seriously dude, calm down.

1313 was already dead before they took control, they just had the decency to pull the plug and end the suffering. I guarantee you will see a similar project rise up in the next few years, mark my words. They know how obsessive StarWars fans are, they know how much money they can make if they please the fan-base. They won't fuck this up (at least not more than Lucas). And you will still have the old StarWars you love even if they screw up, they can't erase history.

My advice to you is the advice to everyone in this thread; sit down, shut up, stop bitching, and enjoy the new trilogy we are going to get. You can't bash these people until you see what they have to offer.

[Captain Jordan]

Blitzkrieg said
And you will still have the old StarWars you love even if they screw up, they can't erase history.

No, but they can try as hard as they can.

The 1997 VHS tapes had Greedo shooting first, irrevocably changing Han's character (hence the 'Han shot first!' cry from fans). This means that you can't actually find a good-quality version of Han being the sole shooter, as he was in the theatrical versions, the last version was the Laserdisk release.

Same for the 2012 BluRay version, Vader now screams 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' as he throws Palpatine down the chute, irrevocably changing his character. While the angsty aggression suits the character that Hayden Christensen played, it doesn't fit with the Darth Vader that the original trilogy portrayed. With screen resolutions consistently increasing, soon the DVD versions will become too poor quality to show, leaving only Lucas' changed versions as the 'right' version.

Lucas quite easily fucks with history, so we have plenty of reason to bitch. If Lucas can do that just by re-releasing the original movies, how bad can Disney and JJ Abrams do while mucking around with a new trilogy of movies? I'm not sure I want to find out.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Blitzkrieg said Yeah, fuck Disney! How dare they put emphasis on the only Female character in the original trilogy! Princess Leia is NOT a princess.Seriously dude, calm down.1313 was already dead before they took control, they just had the decency to pull the plug and end the suffering. I guarantee you will see a similar project rise up in the next few years, mark my words. They know how obsessive StarWars fans are, they know how much money they can make if they please the fan-base. They won't fuck this up (at least not more than Lucas). And you will still have the old StarWars you love even if they screw up, they can't erase history.My advice to you is the advice to everyone in this thread; sit down, shut up, stop bitching, and enjoy the new trilogy we are going to get. You can't bash these people until you see what they have to offer.

It's not a matter of her being a princess.
It's the fact it basically reduces her to the same level as most other Disney Princesses. All dressed up, sitting around and waiting for their hero to save them. Not much effort or individuality from them, main other use being to try to ram "Be a good person" lessons down children's throats so Disney looks like the best pick to show children.

Leia was not made for Disney, she is not written like a Disney Princess and has a lot more individuality (Granted, Disney is getting better at it now. But not so much when this change was announced). It's annoying to see a good character be lowered/reduced to the same category as a bunch of bland one-dimensional characters.

1313 actually did have a big following of being the first rated M star wars game. That was huge, everyone was excited to see it in a more dark and mature setting outside of the books.

Disney has a risk to fuck this up though, they have some good examples but also bad ones. It is a legit worry they fuck it up, especially due to reasons Captain Jordan highlighted and because it basically becames the new face of star wars for new fans coming in. If it ends up being shit, star wars get's a worse reputation for it and loses a number of people who otherwise would of loved the franchise. Add on top of that people have had high hopes and expectations for new movies for a long time, and Disney has the huge potential to shit all over those fans simply for the sake of making a child friendly movie that tries to shove good lessons in it to keep with the Disney reputation (I know there's exceptions, I listed them earlier. But Star Wars is a series that both is more popular and a lot of parents (and their little kids) will be keeping their eyes on, so there's more pressure to make star wars "child appropriate" than say Tron or Pirates of the Caribbean).

And I'm also not bashing Disney for a movie not out yet. I'm looking at their previous track record and voicing worries/concerns as a result of that which is completely valid.

Captain Jordan said No, but they can try as hard as they can. The 1997 VHS tapes had Greedo shooting first, irrevocably changing Han's character (hence the 'Han shot first!' cry from fans). This means that you can't actually find a good-quality version of Han being the sole shooter, as he was in the theatrical versions, the last version was the Laserdisk release. Same for the 2012 BluRay version, Vader now screams 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' as he throws Palpatine down the chute, irrevocably changing his character. While the angsty aggression suits the character that Hayden Christensen played, it doesn't fit with the Darth Vader that the original trilogy portrayed. With screen resolutions consistently increasing, soon the DVD versions will become too poor quality to show, leaving only Lucas' changed versions as the 'right' version. Lucas quite easily fucks with history, so we have plenty of reason to bitch. If Lucas can do that just by re-releasing the original movies, how bad can Disney and JJ Abrams do while mucking around with a new trilogy of movies? I'm not sure I want to find out.

I never watched their 2012 versions but really? They did that with Vader?

Also you bring up some good points, when I show star wars to my kid I want to show them the originals (which I still own so that should be easy), but not have someone say expose them to the butchered altered version first and ruin their vision/idea of star wars as a result.

[Captain Jordan]

Magic Magnum said
I never watched their 2012 versions but really? They did that with Vader?

[Gwazi Magnum]

Wow...

[Ellri]

There is indeed a lot of Junk in the EU. But there are also some Jewels. Freedom from having to follow everything there is only good in our opinion. Even outside the rare jewels, there are a number of fairly good ideas that could do with better implementation. At least in recent years, Disney has shown they can make pretty good movies out of ideas, so we have no doubt they'll do a good job here too.

Getting rid of George Lucas will help a lot wethinks. Some of the most annoying elements we've seen throughout things like the clone wars series have turned out to stem from him. Like that hopeless "darksaber" concept, or the renaming of Korriban to a conglomerate of Angband & Mordor.

Our advice to the worst critics here? Give it time, let them tell their story before you scream and howl about them ruining things with their story.

[Cpt Toellner]

Magic Magnum said
It's not a matter of her being a princess.It's the fact it basically reduces her to the same level as most other Disney Princesses. All dressed up, sitting around and waiting for their hero to save them. Not much effort or individuality from them, main other use being to try to ram "Be a good person" lessons down children's throats so Disney looks like the best pick to show children.Leia was not made for Disney, she is not written like a Disney Princess and has a lot more individuality (Granted, Disney is getting better at it now. But not so much when this change was announced). It's annoying to see a good character be lowered/reduced to the same category as a bunch of bland one-dimensional characters.

So your mad at them for wanting to fix their previous mistakes by making a bad-ass female into a disney priness. It's going to give little girls an action hero to look up to, and yet your upset.

1313 actually did have a big following of being the first rated M star wars game. That was huge, everyone was excited to see it in a more dark and mature setting outside of the books.

I never said 1311 didnt have a large following, I never said it wasnt going to be a great idea. Please read what I say before going all Keyboard Warrior on my ass. What I was saying, is that 1313 had too many problems to actually become a game. Real problems like production rights, who gets to be the creator, ect. They canceled it so they could focus on the movies and the new cannon, rather than keeping it in development purgatory (Because that always works out well..

I say again; we will almost certainly see an announcement for a similar game corresponding with the release of the 7th episode.

But you all are obviously convinced that this is the end, so I don't see a point in fighting for this until the movies come out, do well, and you all act like you believed they would be good all along.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Blitzkrieg said So your mad at them for wanting to fix their previous mistakes by making a bad-ass female into a disney priness. It's going to give little girls an action hero to look up to, and yet your upset.

Great way of twisting words there :P

Would it increase the image of Disney Princesses if Leia was one of them? Maybe.
But it is a group of poorly written/designed characters that frankly don't deserve to be in the same category.
Disney princesses are not the sole influence on little girls, a child is able to watch other things to find good female characters.
It's not as if said character doesn't count if they're not under Disney.

Blitzkrieg said Please read what I say before going all Keyboard Warrior on my ass.

The wording of the posts implies this is in response to the 1313 bit, in which case I said one sentence highlighting that 1313 was a game people wanted. That is hardly keyboard warrior.
If it was in reference to what I said below... you need to follow up and not simply say I'm being a "Keyboard warrior" or it simply doesn't make any sense.

Blitzkrieg said What I was saying, is that 1313 had too many problems to actually become a game. Real problems like production rights, who gets to be the creator, ect. They canceled it so they could focus on the movies and the new cannon, rather than keeping it in development purgatory.

That's true, but it's still a game that had a giant fan base behind it. And just because one delayed game turned out bad doesn't mean they're all cursed to end up the same way.

Blitzkrieg said But you all are obviously convinced that this is the end, so I don't see a point in fighting for this until the movies come out, do well, and you all act like you believed they would be good all along.

We're voicing concerns and worries based on past track records... It's called being realistic and having an opnion.

And that is a huge assumption you make sure that we'll deny having doubt if we turn out to be wrong.
Most of us are mature enough to actually admit if we end up being wrong, and if we are wrong or not will be seen in time.
But that doesn't mean we should simply stay quiet and not state an opinion or worry before hand.

[reem]

Even though I was very happy to hear Disney bought SW off GL (about time), I am pissed even though (as someone else previously mentioned). Disney has yet to screw up the EU. Just the fact that some of my favorite characters and story lines might get screwed, pissed me off.

It was Timothy Zahn's novels that inspired me to venture the EU and I honestly think the EU has more potential than the films GL made.

I still look forward to the "new" films, and hopefully I won't be let down (I have a bad feeling about this).

Also I doubt 1313 will be "scrapped".... Just look at Battlefront III.

[Ellri]

There are two things in particular we truly hope will be discarded in the revisions of the Star Wars universe... The Sith tendency towards Speciesism and suppression of females. Neither one of those make sense when linked with the morals Sith build upon.

All they do is make Sith look more "evil", when Sith aren't about being evil against others' good. They're about the ends justifying the means and having to obey all sorts of long lists of rules. Independence, really.