[OOC] HCL 2: Twisted tinkers' triumph

[thewizardguy]

I know. Which is why I said you ATTEMPTED it. But enough about that. Any power, no matter what it does, will always have some sort of destructive potential. Alpha's omnipotent creation powers are no different. As that creation power is what makes alpha omnipotent, that most likely means there is no limit to what alpha can create. Going by that logic, it can create anything. Including nonexistance. Alpha's concept is creation, leaving it little to no offensive power. It can still create stuff with no real limits. Meaning as it can create the existance of something, it can also create the nonexistance of the same exact thing. This is essentially how dimensions can be so diverse, as there are dimensions that house the existance of a given object/being while the other dimensions house the nonexistance. Otherwise, you'd have a progressively infinite number of copies of the exact same dimension. Which, as there would be nothing distinguishing what exists in one dimension as opposed to another (since in each dimension, everything would exist and nothing would not exist), would be more like a singularity. This doesn't conflict with alpha's concept because in order to render something nonexistent, it has to create the nonexistance. Going back to to the whole "creation without limits" thing, it can be assumed that alpha can also create outcomes for given actions. (Gonna stray off topic and say I looked up omnipotence, and found a similar ability called omnificence, which is essentially the correct term for alpha's omnipotent creation ability. Though I'm guessing you already knew that) as there's nothing that says it can't. So yes, my statement about alpha creating failsafes, based on this logic, is correct. As the alpha can create the outcome of genocide failing. That being said, I'm sure I messed up at some point while typing this up, so I could be wrong.

No, Alpha cannot create nonexistance. Nonexistence is the standard state of all things. Anything that is not created is not nonexisted, it's nonexistence doesn't need to be created. Furthermore, to create nonexistence is a contradiction, as you would be creating the lack of creation. By the very act of creation, you remove nonexistence. Nonexistence is nothing more than the lack of existence, and as such the lack of creation, like the shadow cast by the light of reality. Furthermore, Alpha cannot create outcomes to certain situations. Alpha is an infinite force of creation, but it cannot manipulate the free will of those who already exist. Nor is it capable of seeing the future, and as such it does not know what will happen in the future. It is not limited by time, and can move through time freely, but only as a semisentient force of creation. If it were to move into the future, then it would exist at that point in time, without any 'knowledge' of the past, simply continuing in it's task of creation. If you want a Primal capable of manipulating time, it would be Kronus. However, even Kronus cannot choose what will happen in the future, because to do so would be to control the free will of all living things. Kronus is simply capable of observing, limiting and moving time, causing it to move more quickly or more slowly, and he maintains the fabric of time.

[Teoinsanity]

I know. Which is why I said you ATTEMPTED it. But enough about that. Any power, no matter what it does, will always have some sort of destructive potential. Alpha's omnipotent creation powers are no different. As that creation power is what makes alpha omnipotent, that most likely means there is no limit to what alpha can create. Going by that logic, it can create anything. Including nonexistance. Alpha's concept is creation, leaving it little to no offensive power. It can still create stuff with no real limits. Meaning as it can create the existance of something, it can also create the nonexistance of the same exact thing. This is essentially how dimensions can be so diverse, as there are dimensions that house the existance of a given object/being while the other dimensions house the nonexistance. Otherwise, you'd have a progressively infinite number of copies of the exact same dimension. Which, as there would be nothing distinguishing what exists in one dimension as opposed to another (since in each dimension, everything would exist and nothing would not exist), would be more like a singularity. This doesn't conflict with alpha's concept because in order to render something nonexistent, it has to create the nonexistance. Going back to to the whole "creation without limits" thing, it can be assumed that alpha can also create outcomes for given actions. (Gonna stray off topic and say I looked up omnipotence, and found a similar ability called omnificence, which is essentially the correct term for alpha's omnipotent creation ability. Though I'm guessing you already knew that) as there's nothing that says it can't. So yes, my statement about alpha creating failsafes, based on this logic, is correct. As the alpha can create the outcome of genocide failing. That being said, I'm sure I messed up at some point while typing this up, so I could be wrong.

No, Alpha cannot create nonexistance. Nonexistence is the standard state of all things. Anything that is not created is not nonexisted, it's nonexistence doesn't need to be created. Furthermore, to create nonexistence is a contradiction, as you would be creating the lack of creation. By the very act of creation, you remove nonexistence. Nonexistence is nothing more than the lack of existence, and as such the lack of creation, like the shadow cast by the light of reality. Furthermore, Alpha cannot create outcomes to certain situations. Alpha is an infinite force of creation, but it cannot manipulate the free will of those who already exist. Nor is it capable of seeing the future, and as such it does not know what will happen in the future. It is not limited by time, and can move through time freely, but only as a semisentient force of creation. If it were to move into the future, then it would exist at that point in time, without any 'knowledge' of the past, simply continuing in it's task of creation. If you want a Primal capable of manipulating time, it would be Kronus. However, even Kronus cannot choose what will happen in the future, because to do so would be to control the free will of all living things. Kronus is simply capable of observing, limiting and moving time, causing it to move more quickly or more slowly, and he maintains the fabric of time.

thewizardguy

Then Kronos must get pissed off when I turn on the temporal distabilizers

[thewizardguy]

Then Kronos must get pissed off when I turn on the temporal distabilizers

TeotheDerpy

Nah. Remember, he's looking at all the time in the multiverse. Your destabilizers aren't even a ripple in the pond.

[Kaichiiro]

Okay, why does Matt's icon work sometimes but not others.......it's pretty annoying <_<

[Akihisa Yoshii]

Is it weird I find Matt's avatar adorable? XD And *glomps* Hey Spirit!

[Kaichiiro]

Ah! Physical contact! *falls backwards*

[kishin asura]

I know. Which is why I said you ATTEMPTED it. But enough about that. Any power, no matter what it does, will always have some sort of destructive potential. Alpha's omnipotent creation powers are no different. As that creation power is what makes alpha omnipotent, that most likely means there is no limit to what alpha can create. Going by that logic, it can create anything. Including nonexistance. Alpha's concept is creation, leaving it little to no offensive power. It can still create stuff with no real limits. Meaning as it can create the existance of something, it can also create the nonexistance of the same exact thing. This is essentially how dimensions can be so diverse, as there are dimensions that house the existance of a given object/being while the other dimensions house the nonexistance. Otherwise, you'd have a progressively infinite number of copies of the exact same dimension. Which, as there would be nothing distinguishing what exists in one dimension as opposed to another (since in each dimension, everything would exist and nothing would not exist), would be more like a singularity. This doesn't conflict with alpha's concept because in order to render something nonexistent, it has to create the nonexistance. Going back to to the whole "creation without limits" thing, it can be assumed that alpha can also create outcomes for given actions. (Gonna stray off topic and say I looked up omnipotence, and found a similar ability called omnificence, which is essentially the correct term for alpha's omnipotent creation ability. Though I'm guessing you already knew that) as there's nothing that says it can't. So yes, my statement about alpha creating failsafes, based on this logic, is correct. As the alpha can create the outcome of genocide failing. That being said, I'm sure I messed up at some point while typing this up, so I could be wrong.

No, Alpha cannot create nonexistance. Nonexistence is the standard state of all things. Anything that is not created is not nonexisted, it's nonexistence doesn't need to be created. Furthermore, to create nonexistence is a contradiction, as you would be creating the lack of creation. By the very act of creation, you remove nonexistence. Nonexistence is nothing more than the lack of existence, and as such the lack of creation, like the shadow cast by the light of reality. Furthermore, Alpha cannot create outcomes to certain situations. Alpha is an infinite force of creation, but it cannot manipulate the free will of those who already exist. Nor is it capable of seeing the future, and as such it does not know what will happen in the future. It is not limited by time, and can move through time freely, but only as a semisentient force of creation. If it were to move into the future, then it would exist at that point in time, without any 'knowledge' of the past, simply continuing in it's task of creation. If you want a Primal capable of manipulating time, it would be Kronus. However, even Kronus cannot choose what will happen in the future, because to do so would be to control the free will of all living things. Kronus is simply capable of observing, limiting and moving time, causing it to move more quickly or more slowly, and he maintains the fabric of time.

thewizardguy

Well, since you said alpha, despite being an infinite force of creation, can create anything EXCEPT for outcomes and nonexistance, I'll just have to ask an age old question. Why is it so? Because according to you, alpha is an infinite force of creation. While the word infinite has many meanings, such as being endless, being immeasurably great, and extending to infinity, another definition of infinite is "not being subject to limitation" therefore, alpha CAN create all that stuff.

[Akihisa Yoshii]

*huggles* I missed yooooou~ Creed: ........ Clarent: *sweatdrops* We didn't do this to him I swear... Kevin: Lies << Creed: Shut up >> Me: Get the fuck out of my head O_O << >> >< <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> A pretty diamond necklace for you, take it! Kevin: This is the most pointless post in all of existence. Creed: Do not present a challenge to Matt >>

[Kaichiiro]

*huggles* I missed yooooou~ Creed: ........ Clarent: *sweatdrops* We didn't do this to him I swear... Kevin: Lies << Creed: Shut up >> Me: Get the fuck out of my head O_O << >> >< <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> A pretty diamond necklace for you, take it! Kevin: This is the most pointless post in all of existence. Creed: Do not present a challenge to Matt >>

Akihisa Yoshii

I-I.......don't know how to respond to this.....umm.....

[Akihisa Yoshii]

I-I.......don't know how to respond to this.....umm.....

Kaichiiro

PUNCAKE! *eats puncake and explodes* Creed: ...Puncake is also known as C-4... Want some?

[Wraithblade6]

I too find Matt's avy adorable.

[ShadowVentus]

I-I.......don't know how to respond to this.....umm.....

Kaichiiro

PUNCAKE! *eats puncake and explodes* Creed: ...Puncake is also known as C-4... Want some?

Akihisa Yoshii

Would you like a puncake? XD

[Akihisa Yoshii]

Would you like a puncake? XD

ShadowVentus

*hugs and kisses* Because, the fish told me to. Fish: Don't blame me, it was the shrimp. Shrimp: Don't blame me, it was the whale. Whale: Don't blame me, it was the dragon-man. Creed: ...Clarent told me to... Clarent: ...Alright it was me.

[ShadowVentus]

*hugs and kisses* Because, the fish told me to. Fish: Don't blame me, it was the shrimp. Shrimp: Don't blame me, it was the whale. Whale: Don't blame me, it was the dragon-man. Creed: ...Clarent told me to... Clarent: ...Alright it was me.

Akihisa Yoshii

Suddenly, I explode, only to reappear a short distance away, cracking up as I high five Morgan and watch soar up into the air. Morgan: I told you my plan would work. Yeah, you were right. I should listen to you more often!

[Akihisa Yoshii]

Suddenly, I explode, only to reappear a short distance away, cracking up as I high five Morgan and watch soar up into the air. Morgan: I told you my plan would work. Yeah, you were right. I should listen to you more often!

ShadowVentus

*As I soar* I BELIEVE I CAN FLY- *I hit my head on a blimp and fall to earth, out cold* Creed and Clarent: ...He'll be fine.

[ShadowVentus]

*busts out laughing* Man, what a riot! Looks like Icarus flew to close to the sun. Morgan: It's good to see you so cheery! Heh, yeah. It's odd how other people's pain makes me slightly happy.

[thewizardguy]

Well, since you said alpha, despite being an infinite force of creation, can create anything EXCEPT for outcomes and nonexistance, I'll just have to ask an age old question. Why is it so? Because according to you, alpha is an infinite force of creation. While the word infinite has many meanings, such as being endless, being immeasurably great, and extending to infinity, another definition of infinite is "not being subject to limitation" therefore, alpha CAN create all that stuff.

kishin asura

Creating nonexistence is the antithesis of creation. If Alpha can create nonexistence, then Omega can destroy it, thereby creating things. The process of creation is defined by the fact that it brings things into existence, so to create nonexistence is a paradox in and of itself. Creating outcomes isn't 'creating' things. In order to 'create' an outcome, Alpha would have to change your free will, and force you to make certain choices. However, Alpha can't mind-control people, and has no control over your decisions. An outcome isn't a thing, it's a state of affairs, a possible series of actions leading to a state. Alpha could create a universe which contained any state of affairs that would be created in an outcome, such as Genocide, dead, and you guys, voctorious. However, it could not force that image upon an existing universe.

[thewizardguy]

I too find Matt's avy adorable.

Wraithblade6

Doctor Whooves! Also, not a brony.

[ShadowVentus]

Doctor Who loves is cool. Oh, and, I've PMed you once more Matt. XD

[Akihisa Yoshii]

Doctor Whooves! Also, not a brony.

thewizardguy

Shh, sssshhhh! *I place a finger over your mouth, forcing your silence* It's OK. You are who you are, own up to it. Nobody will find you any less badass, friend.