[OOC] World in Revolution: 1861

[Work_U_Dumb]

Wait someone dropped out. Can I take his position.

[Pepperm1nts]

Work_U_Dumb said
Wait someone dropped out. Can I take his position.

Jesus, you're like a vulture waiting for someone to drop dead.

I've been waiting for a spot to open, but damn, I at least know goodbye kisses come first

[The Nexerus]

Work_U_Dumb said
Wait someone dropped out. Can I take his position.

I believe there are several people who wanted into the roleplay. I'm not sure who expressed interest first.

[Rare]

Work_U_Dumb said
Wait someone dropped out. Can I take his position.

In short, no, you're behind someone else. But, I believe that Pepper was next, am I right?

[Pasta Sentient]

Rare said
In short, no, you're behind someone else. But, I believe that Pepper was next, am I right?

I believe so. Then Flooby? I think.

[So Boerd]

Kho said
I'd like to say goodbye to everyone here, it's been a real joy playing with you all and I'll sorely miss this RP, but rl calls.Before I go, I'd like to make three requests, and they're as neutral as a player who is leaving and has no further interests to push forward can be:Enjoy the game.Stop nitpicking.Don't overthink every single little thing (a tad different from nitpicking.)Try not to mix the IC with the OOC (the war being fought is largely, though not completely, a manifestation of OOC hostilities.)Don't argue...or try not to.Enjoy the game.It's been a good run, and believe it or not, I've enjoyed playing with you all (yes, even with Nex, as much as I hate to admit, something about the way he over-reacts to things gives me a real kick :P)So, enjoy the game, don't stick with the OTL, and don't get annoyed at others when they don't. Adios!

Peace bro.

So is Outcast going to run the kebabs or...

[Ampharos]

Either this game is crazy popular, or there's a severe lack of lasting roleplays in this section.

[AegonVI]

Ampharos said
Either this game is crazy popular, or there's a severe lack of lasting roleplays in this section.

I think it might be both...

Farewell Kho. You shall be missed!

[Pasta Sentient]

In the IRC if anyone wants to chat. :)

[Outcast]

Sorry to see you go, Kho.

I've PMed the guy top of the waiting list. Kho kindly sent his orders in before he left, so I'm not in a hurry to replace him before the update. As it stands, Flooby is second on the list and Pepper is third, so if Maxwell doesn't respond, you two can sort out you takes the OE and who waits for another slot to open.

@Work_U_Dumb; want me to add you to the waiting list?

[Rare]

Maxwell? When did he comment?

[Heyitsjiwon]

The Nexerus said
The signing of the treaty did not signify a warming of relations, but an exit from total isolationism. It was a symptom of the Meiji Restoration, not an indicator of Sino-Japanese brotherly love. All nations that are not hermit states have formalized contact with their neighbours, whether their neighbours are their allies, or, in this case, their traditional enemies.

Even if it didn't signify warming relations. I don't see how you could possibly make that claim. Not having warm relations does not mean that they dislike each other. Also, sure. They were traditional enemies, but then there was the two century long period of isolation. Plus, the events during that time helped the Qing assume power as well. So once again, I don't see how you can claim that the relation between the two were cold during this time especially with the concept of to yo rentai ron (East Asian Alliance) was prevalent among the Japanese statesmen in this time period.

[Outcast]

@Rare; he PMed me a while back.

[The Nexerus]

Heyitsjiwon said
Even if it didn't signify warming relations. I don't see how you could possibly make that claim. Not having warm relations does not mean that they dislike each other. Also, sure. They were traditional enemies, but then there was the two century long period of isolation. Plus, the events during that time helped the Qing assume power as well. So once again, I don't see how you can claim that the relation between the two were cold during this time especially with the concept of to yo rentai ron (East Asian Alliance) was prevalent among the Japanese statesmen in this time period.

The isolation wouldn't have absolved negative feelings. When the Japanese emerged from isolation and reanalyzed their place on the world stage, they wouldn't have started by discarding everything they'd learned about the world and their neighbours before isolation.

Hopefully Japan's new status as co-belligerents of the anti-nationalists won't harm their special historical relationship with the Dutch. I was excited for there to be a player taking over Japan.

[Heyitsjiwon]

Can I ask, what negative feelings in the first place you are talking about? I came to realize that I don't remember a point where the two went to war out of hate. The invaison of Korea seemed to be out of ambition. Also, if the two did really dislike each other, then how come toyo rentai ron was seriously considered by the Japanese bakufu with numerous statesmen and intellectuals supporting an alliance between Japan and China due to the encroaching West and especially the Russians attempting to exert influence. I don't understand how you can claim that the two had a horrible relationship at this point and that the alliance is unrealistic. Wouldn't it make sense to team up with someone to deal with the greatest threat to you (Russia in this case)? I mean using your logic. Shouldn't the Japanese and the US hate each other still after WW II? Of course, that's not the case. Times change and so do priorities. It's just that in this RP, Japan has changed its priority in a fairly realistic manner based in what I know about the political atmosphere in Japan during this time.

[The Nexerus]

You're right. China and Japan have always been warm neighbours and loving allies. It's completely feasible, even likely, for Japan to forge a military alliance with China in the 1860's. My concerns have been blown out of proportion; after all, it's not as if the alliance will affect the game in any major way in the first place.

[Heyitsjiwon]

Well, that was quite unnecessary. All I really want is to back up your historical concerns properly especially when you call things silly or unrealistic. After all, I only expressed my opinion (and asked for clarification on some points) on this matter just like how you expressed yours. Also, if alliances don't affect the RP in a major way, then something is very wrong. However, if you're concerned about breaking the RP, then bring that up with Outcast. There really doesn't have to be dozens of pages because of one concern when it can be resolved with a few PMs.

[The Nexerus]

That last post was a sarcastic exit from the conversation. I don't care about the alliance enough to continue arguing about it, being that it's not my country that's being invaded by it. I will, however, make sure to use the alliance as a benchmark should I make any questionably realistic decisions in the future and need a precedent to maintain them.

[Pepperm1nts]

Oh damn, I'm third? I guess back to waiting it is, then.

[Outcast]

Maxwell has kindly agreed to take control of the Ottoman Empire.