[OOC] World in Revolution: 1861

[Pasta Sentient]

The Nexerus said
I fully agree that it is a blatant land grab, to further the goal unifying the country.

Welp, in that case after the Allies win I'm voting for the Netherlands to belong to the Reestablished Belgium state to Unify the Country. :)

Edit: @Dedonus, if the netherlands had attempted to peacefully I would have been all for it. But Prussia was manipulating the ToC to state that he could do whatever he wanted and let the Netherlands have the go ahead. Prussia wants a war. They've been itching for it since before the ToC.

[The Nexerus]

Pasta Sentient said
Welp, in that case after the Allies win I'm voting for the Netherlands to belong to the Reestablished Belgium state to Unify the Country. :)

As in removing the Dutch-speaking rulers of an 85% Dutch speaking country, in order to replace them with Francophone ones?

I'm surprised how much of a Francboo Albert Edward has become. Here I was with the misconception that France and Britain were traditional rivals.

[bigscreech]

Dedonus said
Why can't you guys peacefully unify your countries, like I did.

It took a war with Prussia for that to happen though.

[Pepperm1nts]

The Nexerus said
I fully agree that it is a blatant land grab, to further the goal unifying the country. It cannot, on the Netherlands' part, be justified on a legal basis. Legality isn't the reason that the reunification occurred, though. If no country ever declared war illegally, the Netherlands never would've existed.

I completely understand why you did it from an In-character perspective. If Netherlands wants to form a Greater Netherlands, it's going to do it by any means necessary. I get that, and I'm totally cool with it.

But honestly, you need to just come clean in OOC :P There is no point trying to argue that you should get to keep Belgium even if you lose the war, or whatever, because I think even you know you probably shouldn't. As you said, the legality just isn't there. The only way you are going to keep Belgium, is through war. Because, as you know, it's the victors who decide what is right and what is wrong.

But between us, you should just admit Netherlands has no right to Belgium.

[Dedonus]

bigscreech said
It took a war with Prussia for that to happen though.

Shoo, don't get picky with the details. Anyways, according to the 1864 Update, somehow the Scandinavian Commonwealth peacefully regained control of Northern Schleswig.

[The Nexerus]

^ Probably just a minor mistake on Outcast's part.

Pepperm1nts said But honestly, you need to just come clean in OOC :P There is no point trying to argue that you should get to keep Belgium even if you lose the war, or whatever, because I think even you know you probably shouldn't. As you said, the legality just isn't there. The only way you are going to keep Belgium, is through war. Because, as you know, it's the victors who decide what is right and what is wrong.

I've never argued that Belgian independence shouldn't be one of the results of an Allied victory. I'm merely stating the objective fact that the guarantee of such independence would be a rectification of an event that occurred in a prior conflict.

[Pasta Sentient]

The Nexerus said
As in removing the Dutch-speaking rulers of an 85% Dutch speaking country, in order to replace them with Francophone ones? I'm surprised how much of a Francboo Albert Edward has become. Here I was with the misconception that France and Britain were traditional rivals.

*Shrug* We have decided to put aside past differences. It's time to put the sibling rivalry aside and face the world together. There are still tensions, but Britain and France are stronger together than apart.

"I hope for a future where every French citizen will know English and every Englishman know French.
When a Doctor in England may spread their wisdom to France and a French inventor can expand his creative mind in Britain.
Whilst London dines on French wine, Paris will enjoy Scottish whiskey.
Like siblings we have fought but, just like siblings, we forgive and band together."

[So Boerd]

Prussia wants a war. They've been itching for it since before the ToC

False. What I want is a unified Germany. Whether that requires a war or not is up to you.

[Dedonus]

The Nexerus said
^ Probably just a minor mistake on Outcast's part.

:( I knew I should have kept my mouth shut. lol

[The Nexerus]

Pasta Sentient said "I hope for a future where every French citizen will know English and every Englishman know French.When a Doctor in England may spread their wisdom to France and a French inventor can expand his creative mind in Britain.Whilst London dines on French wine, Paris will enjoy Scottish whiskey.Like siblings we have fought but, just like siblings, we forgive and band together."

I don't see anything there about giving France the Lowlands.

[Pasta Sentient]

So Boerd said
False. What I want is a unified Germany. Whether that requires a war or not is up to you.

No. You want a Unified Germany under you. Is a Unified Germany worth the thousands of lives that are going to be lost in this war? The citizens of the German Confederation who lived peacefully will prolly say that it is not.

[The Nexerus]

Pasta Sentient said Is a Unified Germany worth the thousands of lives that are going to be lost in this war?

Are you really asking that question?

Otto Von Bismarck's answer is, "Yes", obviously.

[Pepperm1nts]

The Nexerus said
I've never argued that Belgian independence shouldn't be one of the results of an Allied victory.

So Board seemed to imply so, at least on his behalf, and you got a little defensive when I pressed the issue so I assumed you shared So Boerd's stance. If not, then all is good in the hood.

Jesus, I'm not even in the roleplay and I'm having arguments like I am.

[Pasta Sentient]

The Nexerus said
Are you really asking that question? Otto Von Bismarck's answer is, "Yes", obviously.

Welp...Otto Von Bismarck will be deposed or dead by the end of this then.

[Pepperm1nts]

Pasta Sentient said
Welp...Otto Von Bismarck will be deposed or dead by the end of this then.

Implying Otto can't kick your ass.

[So Boerd]

Pasta Sentient said
No. You want a Unified Germany under you. Is a Unified Germany worth the thousands of lives that are going to be lost in this war? The citizens of the German Confederation who lived peacefully will prolly say that it is not.

They answered that question in 1848 with a resounding yes. See: Frankfurt Parliament.

[Rare]

Pepperm1nts said
Jesus, I'm not even in the roleplay and I'm having arguments like I am.

You'll be soon.... >_> <_<

[Pasta Sentient]

Pepperm1nts said
> Implying Otto can't kick your ass wit his feet

Britain
Army Level: (0/5) Good
Equipment: 73.00%

Prussia:
Army Level: (2/5) Good
Equipment: 66.00%

It's a sold fight. We will see how it turns out this war update.

[Pepperm1nts]

Rare said
You'll be soon.... >_> <_<

I hope. It doesn't look like anyone currently in the RP has plans to quit though, and I'm second in line, so my hopes aren't that high.

[Pepperm1nts]

Pasta Sentient said
BritainArmy Level: (0/5) GoodEquipment: 73.00%Prussia:Army Level: (2/5) GoodEquipment: 66.00%It's a sold fight. We will see how it turns out this war update.

No, I was talking about Otto himself. He could kick your ass, whether it's a fist-fight or a fashion show (with that sexy-ass pickelhaube).